I pledged $500 to Carmageddon Reincarnation Kickstarter and 5 years later, Stainlessgames still haven’t sent me any physical rewards

The Short of it:

In 2012 I pleged $500 dollar to the kickstarter of the remake of Carmageddon by Stainlessgames. There where only 11 others who pledged at this level.
Besides wanting the game to be made, and loving the erreverance of Nobby and the team, I certainly also expected to get some physical backer rewards.

First physical rewards where expected in 2013.
Last update on Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/1498402

As of August 2017, not a single physical reward has been handed out to anyone, who pledged above $100
Now even the excuses stopped coming. Now they do not even respond to backer queries about it anymore.

Their Kickstarter stretch goals that they made, included a Linux and Mac port, and a DRS free version intended for LAN play. None of these has been produced to date and no indication they are being worked on.

I am far more disappointed in the lack communication and their silence on the topic, than in not getting any rewards.
After 4 (5) years I dont even want the physical rewards anymore. What would be the point now? Its been soured for me.

I don’t think they are con artists, I think they got in over their heads. But I think the Stainless leadership are cowards for remaining in denial and leaving us in perpetual limbo. They are obviously incompetant, and should really just cop to this fact, and admit to us the rewards are never coming. That at least would allow them to save a little bit of dignity.

The game itself is decent. I played for about a year on and off before I lost interest. May play it again in future.

This post serves as nothing more than a record of what happened, and a warning to others not to place their trust in Stainlessgames. And a backup of the main forum thread in case they decide to finally delete it. No futher updates on that thread shall be reflected here.
http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/27131

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Other threads on their forum regarding the backer rewards (not copied in this post):

http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/28485
http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/28899
http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/29597
http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/29051
http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/28178
http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/30002
http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/29756

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Full overview of Reward Items: (screenshot from my account at their backer portal) (as of Aug 2017)

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All posts on Kickstarter relating to the physical rewards:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/557626
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/678506
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/714570
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/773806
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/804145
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/1332786 (aug 24, 2015)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/1498402 (feb 22, 2016) (last update)

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Full list of reward tiers:

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Pledge $1 or more

BLOOD DONOR:
Thanks for your support!
You’ll appear in the credits list on our website.

Pledge $15 or more

MEMBER (THROBBING):
You’ll get the released game, to download from Steam. You’ll receive sexy exclusive wallpaper in a range of resolutions to suit all your digital devices. Finally, you’ll be credited in the game as a Carmageddon Kickstarter!

Pledge $15 or more

DRM THIS!: As well as the Steam version, all $15 pledgers will be offered a DRM-free, caffeine free, gluten free, born free non-Steam version of the PC game to download. This version will have no Steamworks functionality and will support single player and LAN multiplayer only. This is only currently offered for the PC platform and will not be available until completion. (Mac and Linux versions are planned, but still TBC.) Please note that the delivery date is an estimate and is subject to change.

Pledge $25 or more

VIP (VERY IMFLAMMABLE PENGUINS):
Access to exclusive discussion forums on the carmageddon.com website, where content will also be posted ahead of appearing on the main site. You will also be granted early Beta access to the game, and early access to the official Steam Community game discussion forum. Plus, you get a personal avatar for the site.
(+Previous Rewards)

Pledge $25 or more

I’M AGOG!!: Those fantastic people at GOG.com (formerly Good Old Games) are bringing the original Carmageddon back! And what’s more, they’ve insisted that everyone who pledges $25 dollars or more to the Carmageddon: Reincarnation Kickstarter campaign will receive a voucher that will allow them to visit GOG.com and download Carmageddon & The Splat Pack for FREE! All the backers of the OTHER $25 Reward tier will get this FREE voucher too. (+Previous Rewards);
Delivery Date: on launch of Carmageddon on GOG.com.

Pledge $30 or more

DOUBLE WHAMMY: A total of 2 digital download codes for Carmageddon: Reincarnation. Now you can bring a friend to play! And remember, these come with beta access too! (+Previous Rewards)

Pledge $45 or more

POSTCARDS FROM THE (NEAR) FUTURE: A set of 4 Carmageddon: Reincarnation art cards. Retro communication devices for use in tomorrow’s world! (+Previous Rewards)

Pledge $50 or more

CUSTOMIZATRON:
Kickstart-exclusive game content: You get the option of a cool alternative Red Eagle car model, skin and accessories to use in the game, plus an extra digital copy of the game which which to bribe your way into friendship or marriage with someone.
(+Previous Rewards)

Pledge $75 or more

SHIRT HAPPENS: A NEW physical reward! Show your loyalty to the cause with one of our new Carmageddon: Reincarnation logo t-shirts. You can choose from a selection of colours and have it large, very large, medium etc., in a male or female style. (+Previous Rewards)

Pledge $100 or more

POSTER PAINTER:
A total of 4 digital copies of the game so that you can share with your friends (friends STILL not included).
Choose from one of 4 Kickstarter Exclusive Carmageddon: Reincarnation posters which you can stick on your wall, draw mysterious lady parts on and lock your bedroom door. Also including a PDF version.
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(+Previous Rewards below $100)

Pledge $100 or more

4-WAY ACTION:
A total of 4 digital copies of the game so that you can share with your friends (friends not included). As a special treat, we’ll include a copy of the exclusive “Cardmageddon” card game for you to play together. Yes, that’s right, a real physical THING! (+Previous rewards below $100)

Pledge $150 or more

BEEN THERE DONE THAT:
Exclusive Carmageddon: Reincarnation T-shirt that will never be available anywhere else in the whole world ever. Be the envy of your friends. Gain instant romance. Lose weight. Solve world peace whilst simultaneously becoming super-rich. Grow extra legs. Gain immortality. Walk on water. (Benefits may vary.)
(+Previous Rewards below $150)

Pledge $150 or more

STICKY MESS:
A set of 3 exclusive Carmageddon: Reincarnation bumper stickers. Put them on your lovely new car and ruin its paintwork! Stick them over the eyes of your family members and make your own Sgt. Pepper’s album cover! Use them as duct tape (disused warehouse not included).
(+Previous Rewards below $150)

Pledge $150 or more

KICK IN THE BOX: It’s the one everyone’s been waiting for! The GAME. On a DVD. In a BOX! We’ve done the math and it will only slightly bankrupt us. We’re adding the boxed game with the manual and game on a printed DVD in as a $150 level Reward. If anyone who pledged $350 wants to drop their pledge to $150 as a result, then please feel free! If anyone currently going for the t-shirt or bumper sticker level rewards wants to swap their pledge to the boxed game offer, now’s your chance. (+Previous Rewards below $150) (At $350 level, you’ll get all three $150 Reward offers.)

Pledge $150 or more

Double Eagle!!: A pair of lovely little limited edition collector’s items, in the form of two Red Eagles. The original Red Eagle from Carmageddon, and the New Eagle from the new game. Be the envy of all your friends, especially those that are very tiny creatures – because to them, these will appear LIFE-SIZED!! All backers pledging $150 or more will receive the two Eagle collectible miniatures.
(+ All previous Rewards)

Pledge $349 or more

GOODY (BALL) BAG… THE BAG: An actual BAG for your bag of goodies! SIMilar to the one demonstrated by SIM in the VID, this handy carrying apparatus can be used to transport all sorts of Reward STUFF! And MORE!
NOTE: There’s no need to choose this reward – if you’ve already pledged $350 or more you’ll get this too!

Pledge $350 or more

GOODY (BALL) BAG:
An exclusive-to-Kickstarter retail box containing a USB stick with the game installed, plus a physical special edition Game Manual. This will consist of a new manual for the game (warning, may contain rude words), plus a reprint of the original game’s US manual.
You will also have digital copies of the game as well so no need to deflower that virgin shrinkwrap!
Yes! More physical THINGS! (Atoms included.)
(+Previous Rewards, including t-shirt and stickers!)

$500
I WAS IN THE WAR!:
Poster of an exclusive, special edition promo image personally signed by key team members.
Also, you’ll receive a custom “Splatted Granny” collectable model, hand splatted and painted by a member of the team using their actual human fingers and stuff. No two are alike! A handmade THING! (+Previous Rewards)

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Backup if main forum thread, last copied start of August 2017

http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/27131

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shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM [BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment #1 Submitted: Mon, 19/05/2014 – 14:51 Hey Carmafans! We are currently in the process of getting the first batch of Kickstarter physical rewards out to Backers. To help you identify what tiers have been sent out this thread will be updated with the latest tier to be shipped. Please keep an eye on this thread for changes. For digital reward backers our friends over at Humble Bundle have provided reward pages to access your digital rewards and Steam keys as well as any gift keys you’re entitled to. If you don’t already have access to your Humble page please use the The Humble Key Resender found on the following link and enter your email address you submitted in your survey information for your digital goods to be sent to: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/keyresender Physical Reward Tiers sent: $45 POSTCARDS FROM THE (NEAR) FUTURE $50 CUSTOMIZATRON $75 SHIRT HAPPENS $100 4-WAY ACTION $100 POSTER PAINTER Next Tier sending out: $150 KICK IN THE BOX $150 STICKY MESS $150 BEEN THERE DONE THAT $150 Double Eagle!! Show Subscribe Subscribe to this page The master checkboxes in the left-most column turn the given subscription on or off. Depending on the setup of the site, you may have additional options for active subscriptions. Edited by: shane on 08/08/2014 – 16:02

fifteentyp… Fluffy Bunny Posts: 12 Send PM #2 Submitted: Tue, 03/06/2014 – 17:49 I moved house after the 18th of April, and I can’t change my address on the backers page. What should I do?

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #3 Submitted: Sun, 22/06/2014 – 09:36 When were those post cards sent? According to my overview on the backer site, the post cards should have been sent to me, but I can’t see when the status was changed to “green” (fulfilled). As of today, june 22nd, I haven’t received anything. If these physical goodies are sent from England, I’m guessing it shouldn’t take much more than a few days (a week tops) before they arrive on an adress in the Netherlands, right? EDIT: The same goes for the T-shirt from the $75 tier. Well, with the difference that in my backer overview, that reward is still “white” (not fullfilled), when you guys posted above on june 10th that this reward has been fullfilled (for everyone?). When can I expect the T-shirt to be sent out to me, and how long will that take? Thanks and greetings. Edited by: RagingR2 on Sun, 22/06/2014 – 09:40

Errol Piledriver Posts: 962 Send PM #4 Submitted: Sun, 22/06/2014 – 11:53 They’re shipping all items for a given tier at once. You won’t receive postcards and then later a tshirt and then later some more stuff. If you backed for one of the crossed out tiers you should have all your stuff. If you backed for a tier not yet listed then they haven’t shipped anything yet. :: You wanna build a snowman mod C:R? Get Flummery, the Carmageddon modders tool. :: Making C:R mods happen since ’14!

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #5 Submitted: Sun, 22/06/2014 – 18:22 Errol wrote: They’re shipping all items for a given tier at once. You won’t receive postcards and then later a tshirt and then later some more stuff. If you backed for one of the crossed out tiers you should have all your stuff. If you backed for a tier not yet listed then they haven’t shipped anything yet. That does sound logical, yes. But even though I have a higher tier that is isn’t listed here yet, in my reward overview the postcards are marked as green (“fulfilled”). So a) I don’t know when they sent them and when I should expect them and b) apparently they are not sending all of my physical goodies at the same time. Edited by: RagingR2 on Sun, 22/06/2014 – 18:24

Errol Piledriver Posts: 962 Send PM #6 Submitted: Sun, 22/06/2014 – 21:17 Or c) your reward overview is wrong and they haven’t dispatched anything to you yet. My overview is also incorrectly states the 4 postcards have been fulfilled. Edited by: Errol on Sun, 22/06/2014 – 21:22 :: You wanna build a snowman mod C:R? Get Flummery, the Carmageddon modders tool. :: Making C:R mods happen since ’14!

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #7 Submitted: Mon, 23/06/2014 – 08:48 Errol wrote: My overview is also incorrectly states the 4 postcards have been fulfilled. Ah, so at least I’m not the only one. I have full confidence in the guys at Stainless that this will all be solved sooner or later. Still, it would be nice if Shane or someone else could respond.

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #8 Submitted: Mon, 23/06/2014 – 08:59 Hey guys, Yes, the Backer site does incorrectly display which tiers have been sent – when we tick which rewards have been sent unfortunately it ticks it for all. Please refer to this thread for which reward levels we have sent out.

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #9 Submitted: Mon, 23/06/2014 – 09:12 shane wrote: Hey guys, Yes, the Backer site does incorrectly display which tiers have been sent – when we tick which rewards have been sent unfortunately it ticks it for all. Please refer to this thread for which reward levels we have sent out. Thanks a lot for your quick reply. I’ll just try to relax now and be (im)patiently looking forward to all my goodies. 😉 Just a suggestion, maybe post a reclaimer under the reward overview on the backer site? Or just remove it and replace it with what you just said, with a link to this topic. Because I’m sure sooner or later this is gonna generate the same question from other people. Greetings and keep up the good work @ Stainless. I think your no-nonsense approach to both making the game and communicating with fans is really cool; I appreciate your quick reply here.

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #10 Submitted: Mon, 23/06/2014 – 09:28 RagingR2 wrote: shane wrote: Hey guys, Yes, the Backer site does incorrectly display which tiers have been sent – when we tick which rewards have been sent unfortunately it ticks it for all. Please refer to this thread for which reward levels we have sent out. Thanks a lot for your quick reply. I’ll just try to relax now and be (im)patiently looking forward to all my goodies. 😉 Just a suggestion, maybe post a reclaimer under the reward overview on the backer site? Or just remove it and replace it with what you just said, with a link to this topic. Because I’m sure sooner or later this is gonna generate the same question from other people. Greetings and keep up the good work @ Stainless. I think your no-nonsense approach to both making the game and communicating with fans is really cool; I appreciate your quick reply here. We’ll look at making the Backer site much clearer as to which rewards have been shipped.

shimmy Fluffy Bunny Posts: 7 Send PM #11 Submitted: Sun, 06/07/2014 – 18:15 I didn’t get anything till now 😦 “In this era of peace, where weapons are a forgotten problem of the past, mankind has only one option – to defend society as we know it IN CARS.” “Carmageddon is our only hope.”

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shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM [BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment #1 Submitted: Mon, 19/05/2014 – 14:51 Hey Carmafans! We are currently in the process of getting the first batch of Kickstarter physical rewards out to Backers. To help you identify what tiers have been sent out this thread will be updated with the latest tier to be shipped. Please keep an eye on this thread for changes. For digital reward backers our friends over at Humble Bundle have provided reward pages to access your digital rewards and Steam keys as well as any gift keys you’re entitled to. If you don’t already have access to your Humble page please use the The Humble Key Resender found on the following link and enter your email address you submitted in your survey information for your digital goods to be sent to: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/keyresender Physical Reward Tiers sent: $45 POSTCARDS FROM THE (NEAR) FUTURE $50 CUSTOMIZATRON $75 SHIRT HAPPENS $100 4-WAY ACTION $100 POSTER PAINTER Next Tier sending out: $150 KICK IN THE BOX $150 STICKY MESS $150 BEEN THERE DONE THAT $150 Double Eagle!! Show Subscribe Subscribe to this page The master checkboxes in the left-most column turn the given subscription on or off. Depending on the setup of the site, you may have additional options for active subscriptions. Edited by: shane on 08/08/2014 – 16:02

fifteentyp… Fluffy Bunny Posts: 12 Send PM #2 Submitted: Tue, 03/06/2014 – 17:49 I moved house after the 18th of April, and I can’t change my address on the backers page. What should I do?

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shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #22 Submitted: Sun, 31/08/2014 – 12:45 tchernobog11 wrote: The information used is on the backers site, and not the kickstarter page, right? Seems that my kickstarter page still had older info, but the backers site has my correct address. Being at the 150$ backer level, I just want to make sure it’s sent to the right place 🙂 Hi tchernobog11 – yes your correct, we will only use the data from our Backers site due to the issue with Backers not being able to update survey information on Kickstarter once submitted.

SteveOB Fluffy Bunny Posts: 11 Send PM #23 Submitted: Thu, 18/09/2014 – 10:52 I logged into the backers site and my reward tier is $150 KICK IN THE BOX. But below in the items with will be shipped to me the reward Game in a box The GAME. On a DVD. In a BOX! – is not green. Meaning it will not be available to me. Also i have not received a T-shirt. Should i get that as well? because it was a “Pledge $75 more” offer. There something wrong?? Steve OByrne Edited by: SteveOB on Thu, 18/09/2014 – 11:14

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #24 Submitted: Thu, 18/09/2014 – 12:02 I believe it was said somewhere in this post that for people with higher level pledges, they are holding all the rewards back until they can send them all out at once, so even though it shows things like the t-shirts have been shipped, they haven’t yet been shipped for the people with the $150+ pledges.

Trent I was in the War! Posts: 2979 Send PM #25 Submitted: Thu, 18/09/2014 – 12:40 SteveOB wrote: reward Game in a box The GAME. On a DVD. In a BOX! – is not green. Meaning it will not be available to me. If it’s listed on your rewards page it means you will be getting it. If a reward isn’t listed it means it’s not available to you. If it’s in green it just means it’s ready to be shipped, which as Wiski said they’re trying to as many rewards out to each individual as they can in one go to save on postage and logistics. Obviously they can’t have sorted out the Game In A Box reward yet because that requires the game to be finished. Edited by: Trent on Thu, 18/09/2014 – 12:41

SteveOB Fluffy Bunny Posts: 11 Send PM #26 Submitted: Thu, 18/09/2014 – 14:01 Many thanks for your help. Steve

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #27 Submitted: Wed, 10/12/2014 – 21:52 So, any news on this? To be frank, I’m not expecting much anymore.

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #28 Submitted: Thu, 11/12/2014 – 16:33 Hi all . I don’t understand, but if I’m a backer with 500$ I have right to receive all other level? Why i didn’t have receive nothing?

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #29 Submitted: Thu, 11/12/2014 – 17:03 Atarugolan wrote: Hi all . I don’t understand, but if I’m a backer with 500$ I have right to receive all other level? Why i didn’t have receive nothing? Read the first post. They aren’t sending everything out to the higher level backers until everything is finished, otherwise they would have to ship stuff multiple times, once for the stuff that is ready and has been shipped to lower level backers, and then again when all the rest of the stuff that the lower level backers are not getting is finished and ready to ship.

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #30 Submitted: Thu, 11/12/2014 – 17:35 wiski wrote: Atarugolan wrote: Hi all . I don’t understand, but if I’m a backer with 500$ I have right to receive all other level? Why i didn’t have receive nothing? Read the first post. They aren’t sending everything out to the higher level backers until everything is finished, otherwise they would have to ship stuff multiple times, once for the stuff that is ready and has been shipped to lower level backers, and then again when all the rest of the stuff that the lower level backers are not getting is finished and ready to ship. Ok now Understand… Is necessary wait much time.. 😦

hammr25 Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 264 Send PM #31 Submitted: Fri, 12/12/2014 – 23:33 Those other people won’t have the cool splatted granny collectible. I sure hope Sim already painted all 12 of them.

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suj999 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 1 Send PM #32 Submitted: Fri, 19/12/2014 – 19:38 Hello, I’m kind of really confused… I backed this game with ‘DRM THIS!’ level at KickStarter, should I have access to the game now? Or are we still waiting?? I seem to get random overexcited emails but nothing that’s actually useful. Thanks

Trent I was in the War! Posts: 2979 Send PM #33 Submitted: Fri, 19/12/2014 – 19:53 Yes everyone should have had the game months ago, they sent out a number of emails to backers about when it would’ve available to you back in like march. There is a sticky thread at the top of the general discussion forum about what to do if you haven’t received your key yet: http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/26417

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #34 Submitted: Sun, 21/12/2014 – 21:09 Is this still being updated? It’s been 4 months now since last update and almost half a year since packages started being sent out. Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #35 Submitted: Mon, 05/01/2015 – 10:10 Fireman wrote: Is this still being updated? It’s been 4 months now since last update and almost half a year since packages started being sent out. Hi Fireman, yes we are still working on the rewards. Since most of the remaining tiers include a boxed copy of Carmageddon: Reincarnation it is most likely they will be sent out once we hit final release. We’ll keep you updated on this here and on Kickstarter when we have more info.

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #36 Submitted: Mon, 05/01/2015 – 15:54 Quote: Hi Fireman, yes we are still working on the rewards. Since most of the remaining tiers include a boxed copy of Carmageddon: Reincarnation it is most likely they will be sent out once we hit final release. We’ll keep you updated on this here and on Kickstarter when we have more info. Well, (un)lucky (?) me and my BEEN THERE DONE THAT reward tier. That one, and the STICKY MESS reward tier are the only two tiers left to be sent out that do *not* feature a physical copy of the game. I really do hope this means we can get our rewards somewhat earlier. You’ll understand of course that I will want to show off my T-shirts (and promote the game) before the final release date! 🙂 Edited by: RagingR2 on Mon, 05/01/2015 – 15:55

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #37 Submitted: Wed, 22/04/2015 – 02:58 I was told about a week maybe two now that a box set had been sent out and it still has not shown up, no complaints just wondering if a tracking number or something we can use to track these items down ? If i am correct in this. Thanks.

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #38 Submitted: Wed, 22/04/2015 – 08:45 lemonrev wrote: I was told about a week maybe two now that a box set had been sent out and it still has not shown up, no complaints just wondering if a tracking number or something we can use to track these items down ? If i am correct in this. Thanks. Hi lemonrev, As far as I’m aware we’ve not sent out the remaining rewards. We’re planning on posting a Kickstarter update in the weeks building up to our final release with information about shipping your rewards.

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #39 Submitted: Thu, 23/04/2015 – 02:49 Thanks Shane, Gabien has already replied to this as well so thanks to both 🙂

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #40 Submitted: Mon, 08/06/2015 – 12:45 wow… bag tier’s not even listed yet =x and considering Brazil’s crappy post office, I can probably wait for Christmas, as Duke Nukem would say =p BTW, are you sending these via USPS or another shipping company, like UPS? Will there be a tracking code? Insurance? No really, Brazil’s post office (Correios) has a really TERRIBLE service. While things coming from aboard via UPS, DHL, FedEx and such take 3-5 days to deliver, “normal” delivery via post offices like USPS can take MONTHS to come through – no, really, MONTHS. I bought some shirts last year on Black Friday and it arrived last month! I also ask about insurance because Correios has a terrible rate of lost packages, they only provide refund for the sender and it’s a damn difficult and lenghty process =/

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #41 Submitted: Thu, 18/06/2015 – 14:39 yuske wrote: wow… bag tier’s not even listed yet =x and considering Brazil’s crappy post office, I can probably wait for Christmas, as Duke Nukem would say =p BTW, are you sending these via USPS or another shipping company, like UPS? Will there be a tracking code? Insurance? No really, Brazil’s post office (Correios) has a really TERRIBLE service. While things coming from aboard via UPS, DHL, FedEx and such take 3-5 days to deliver, “normal” delivery via post offices like USPS can take MONTHS to come through – no, really, MONTHS. I bought some shirts last year on Black Friday and it arrived last month! I also ask about insurance because Correios has a terrible rate of lost packages, they only provide refund for the sender and it’s a damn difficult and lenghty process =/ Hi yuske, We’re currently in the process of finalising the Kickstarter Backer physical rewards. At present we don’t have information on which service we’ll be using for the shipping and whether tracking codes will be available. Please keep an eye on Kickstarter for further updates.

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #42 Submitted: Fri, 19/06/2015 – 14:11 shane wrote: Hi yuske, We’re currently in the process of finalising the Kickstarter Backer physical rewards. At present we don’t have information on which service we’ll be using for the shipping and whether tracking codes will be available. Please keep an eye on Kickstarter for further updates. Hey Shane! Thanks for the reply, man =D I’m receiving the updates on KS via email from the beginning =) and that’s precisely why I was asking =p KS updates on the physical rewards have been far and few =x
Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #43 Submitted: Sat, 18/07/2015 – 21:44 Hello, I’m afraid I’m going to have to ask the same question again; It’s been two months since release and also two months without an update of the first post. Is the first post still up to date? Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #44 Submitted: Thu, 06/08/2015 – 16:06 I was wondering the same thing as Fireman. Any news on when the rewards are going to be shipped or when we can expect an update about this? Edited by: RagingR2 on Thu, 06/08/2015 – 16:06

Wolfhart Fluffy Bunny Posts: 10 Send PM #45 Submitted: Thu, 06/08/2015 – 17:05 Won’t lie.. I forgot about this, I backed with the double eagle package, to which I hear there is no longer any double eagles… bit of a wounder! I kinda expected it to turn up while I was away for a month, but no packages turned up

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #46 Submitted: Thu, 13/08/2015 – 09:18 HI STAFF, I know you have problem with the production of Eagle, but that isn’t an excuse to don’t start to send at all Backers all the stuff. It’s not only the eagle but all the other stuff. I have help you with 500$ and i do that to give you possibility to create the game and I want my reward. Now game is out, is selled on steam and now i renaming without stuff. how much time I need to wait to have my stuff? Please answer me, with reply or on pvm, but please answer me. Regards

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #47 Submitted: Thu, 13/08/2015 – 09:52 Hi Atarugolan, Apologies for not keeping you all up-to-date with our progress in sending out physical rewards. We’re currently in the progress of scheduling the remaining rewards and hope to have an update in the near future. Please keep an eye on Kickstarter for the next update.

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #48 Submitted: Tue, 18/08/2015 – 04:27 Thanks for the update, Shane. I completely forgot about this as well, until a few days ago…

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #49 Submitted: Wed, 19/08/2015 – 12:09 shane wrote: Hi Atarugolan, Apologies for not keeping you all up-to-date with our progress in sending out physical rewards. We’re currently in the progress of scheduling the remaining rewards and hope to have an update in the near future. Please keep an eye on Kickstarter for the next update. Shane, you keep telling us to keep an eye on Kickstarter for the physical rewards, but the last update was 3 months ago, when C:R officially launched… The last KS update focused on updating us about this subject was Abril’14 – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/804145 Seriously, if you guys came and said “oh we somehow are broke and there won’t be any” would at least be news. Those backers like me who were looking forward the physical rewards would get sad/mad/rant/rage but life would move on… At least for me, the problem is “merely” being out of news about it. We’ve seen those pics and videos you guys shared a long time ago, with a room full of stuff, and then, nothing. There were updates about the progress of development, there was that post HERE but no KS notification about the Double Eagle, there was the going gold announcement… For my part, I’m most dissapointed by this lack of news. C:R was the KS project I backed with all my heart, with all I could give at the time (it’s still the top one KS funded project on my account). All I’m asking is: give us a detailed update on this.

bighole Fluffy Bunny Posts: 6 Send PM #50 Submitted: Wed, 19/08/2015 – 18:48 Kind of agree with yuske on this, the engagement with the community including KS backers seems to have changed dramatically since launch; any news would be better than the deafening silence at present (and I speak as a long term and remaining-so Carma fan…).

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #51 Submitted: Wed, 19/08/2015 – 19:05 bighole wrote: Kind of agree with yuske on this, the engagement with the community including KS backers seems to have changed dramatically since launch; any news would be better than the deafening silence at present (and I speak as a long term and remaining-so Carma fan…). Since before launch honestly. There was a 3-4 month period before launch where communication to the community dropped to zero, and it wasn’t much improved after launch, if at all. Normally I don’t expect a lot of communication from game devs to the community, but when the game was initially funded via Kickstarter I would hope there’d be more communication, even if it’s only a paragraph or two that takes a few minutes to type up every few weeks about what’s going on. Edited by: wiski on Wed, 19/08/2015 – 19:06

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nobby Stainless Posts: 775 Send PM #52 Submitted: Fri, 21/08/2015 – 08:53 Guys, please let me (belatedly) chip in here with an explanation and some news for you. Part of the problem we face here is that we’re a game development studio – and the focus of our attention is constantly on the game(s), and we don’t have spare capacity to be focussed on anything else full-time, and so there’s a tendency (when time seems to rip past at a day a minute) for this stuff to get put on the back burner. However that being said, we do take the commitment to our KS Backers seriously, and we did have a plan in place that was meant to deal with the physical rewards. BUT, this all kind of went to pot when we had our less than stellar full release, and immediately realised that the release didn’t cut it and needed considerable extra work on optimisation (cue all heads down, don’t think about anything else…). And this had the knock-on effect of putting a further delay on the manufacture of a physical game (sure we could release it any time and Steam would patch it, but we really want the boxed game to be the “final final” one, plus getting it organised is another whole lot of work…). So, this meant the posting out of the physical rewards was again put on hold. However, we have been hearing your comments and consternation over our neglect of you. So what we’ve decided is that we really need to sort this out PRONTO. And to that end we’re currently planning to take the hit of the extra costs involved, and send out everything BUT the boxed copies of the game (which will follow at a later date). This is currently being organised. So bear with us, it won’t be long… I was in the war.

bighole Fluffy Bunny Posts: 6 Send PM #53 Submitted: Fri, 21/08/2015 – 10:37 Thank you nobby, belated yes but just the explanation that was previously lacking. For clarity, anyone backing at a level that includes a boxed copy will get the other rewards ‘soon’, with just the boxed copy to follow? A now-appeased Carma-fan…

Jemimus Fluffy Bunny Posts: 4 #54 Submitted: Fri, 21/08/2015 – 11:07 From a Kickstarter Backers point of view, what you just replied is extremely important for the morale out there. I would encourage you to copy-paste this more or less straight into the Kickstarter blog right now, as it will reach far more (possibly frustrated) people there. Thank you guys for all the hard work. As an aside, it would be interesting to hear about how you may have ‘underestimated’ the ‘maturity’ of the game at release. Going over that would be a good exercise in transparency, but also interesting from a project-management point of view. I am in IT, and am always eager to absorb lessons in project-management and ITOPS process, especially when things go a bit ‘south’ 😉

hammr25 Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 264 Send PM #55 Submitted: Sat, 22/08/2015 – 01:29 Thanks for the response Nobby. I was more interested in a detailed update than getting stuff mailed. I’d rather wait to get said stuff when everything in my tier is complete.

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #56 Submitted: Sat, 22/08/2015 – 08:11 The Response from Nobby Was awesome to say the least, We got a update on what the studio is doing but AT No point would i want the other stuff out of box to be sent with out the box. its a shame you people who had to throw this rubbish in to make this happen. Nobby I am more than happy to have mine held off till all things are all finalized and good. I am sorry you have had to take time to put that out and I wish you and the studio all the best with what you guys have to put up with. Thanks.

T-Bounce Fluffy Bunny Posts: 25 Send PM #57 Submitted: Sat, 22/08/2015 – 09:14 Okay good thanks for the info on that nobby 🙂

bighole Fluffy Bunny Posts: 6 Send PM #58 Submitted: Sat, 22/08/2015 – 21:27 Most of the requests have been merely for an update lemonrev, which has now been provided and positively received. The choice of what and when to send is, as nobby has made clear, entirely at their discretion; most requesters have a similar view to you that there is no pressure, other than to keep folks updated from time to time.

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #59 Submitted: Mon, 24/08/2015 – 11:34 Jemimus wrote: From a Kickstarter Backers point of view, what you just replied is extremely important for the morale out there. I would encourage you to copy-paste this more or less straight into the Kickstarter blog right now, as it will reach far more (possibly frustrated) people there. I’ve now posted this info on our Kickstarter page too.

arjan_jonker Norman E. Carnage Posts: 71 Send PM #60 Submitted: Mon, 24/08/2015 – 12:25 lemonrev wrote: Nobby I am more than happy to have mine held off till all things are all finalized and good. Well said. I care about the game, Nobby. Of course it would be great to get the physical stuff, but your focus is where it should be: making the game more awesome. The best of luck. I will be here and patient through it all! Edited by: arjan_jonker on Mon, 24/08/2015 – 12:26 I’m a freelance copywriter. Please run me over. 😛

spurty Fluffy Bunny Posts: 5 Send PM #61 Submitted: Mon, 24/08/2015 – 13:36 glad you said ‘bear’ because you sometimes sign off with ‘nob out’. I WAS IN THE WAR!

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Deamon Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 306 Send PM #62 Submitted: Mon, 24/08/2015 – 14:35 lemonrev wrote: Nobby I am more than happy to have mine held off till all things are all finalized and good. I am sorry you have had to take time to put that out and I wish you and the studio all the best with what you guys have to put up with. Thanks. Same here, an update was more than enough, just some news about the game and what was happening. Thanks anyway, shame about the extra costs. Carmageddon UNlimited Team For all your wrecking needs! “All prey keep left. Fellow raptors keep up.” TDR2000 MAX-Pack A community add-on pack.

KaptainUfo… Norman E. Carnage Posts: 58 Send PM #63 Submitted: Tue, 25/08/2015 – 05:47 Thank you very much for response. However, i suggest to make a scheduled reports on development and rewards status (one report per week/two weeks/month as forum post with informal style or something like that where are described current status of development, some information to consult with community about the game, etc.). Community feedback may help to avoid problems both with development and with expectations of fans. Sometimes long silence can cause doubts.

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #64 Submitted: Tue, 25/08/2015 – 05:58 I already left a comment on KS (since I’m not much of a forum guy), and just now seen nobby’s reply here. First, thank you nobby! I already made it clear on my KS comment but I’ll repeat here: count me with the guys that are saying “if you have to postpone it, do it”. I got a… what? $350 backer level? Seriously, I’m not pitching in 350 just because I find it cute, it’s because Carma was one of my most beloved game years ago, and having the opportunity (and the money, at the time), I felt almost an obligation – I HAD TO BE PART OF IT. I don’t care if it takes more time, and I sure as hell don’t wanna see things get rushed – along with so many others, what I wanted was NEWS NEWS NEWS POST TALK TO US =p so what, you saw that the release build wasn’t satisfying enough? Great, I wouldn’t expect less from that awesome team that Stainless is made of, and I wouldn’t expect any less from you, personally, nobby. Go, do you thing, be awesome. Just… let us know how it’s going. Don’t leave us hanging here. We love you guys and the work you’ve done =)

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #65 Submitted: Tue, 25/08/2015 – 11:55 Yeah, my main complaint wasn’t that I hadn’t gotten my stuff yet, it was that I rarely hear anything from the devs about it. I can wait longer on physical rewards that I honestly don’t really care about, especially the boxed version of the game which is never getting opened anyway, I would rather Stainless not spend extra money shipping stuff out multiple time. All I wanted was some fucking communication!

CitizenSwift Fluffy Bunny Posts: 3 Send PM #66 Submitted: Fri, 28/08/2015 – 13:42 FWIW I’m happy to wait until the boxed game’s ready before shipping everything out in one go 🙂

Psyrgery Piledriver Posts: 688 Send PM #67 Submitted: Fri, 28/08/2015 – 13:49 CitizenSwift wrote: FWIW I’m happy to wait until the boxed game’s ready before shipping everything out in one go 🙂 Same here guys Max is back. Let there be blood and motor oil

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #68 Submitted: Sat, 19/09/2015 – 10:52 Psyrgery wrote: CitizenSwift wrote: FWIW I’m happy to wait until the boxed game’s ready before shipping everything out in one go 🙂 Same here guys As long as I receive it before I die of old age I’m fine with it! The big box design looked awesome though (assuming it still looks the same) nobby wrote: However, we have been hearing your comments and consternation over our neglect of you. So what we’ve decided is that we really need to sort this out PRONTO. And to that end we’re currently planning to take the hit of the extra costs involved, and send out everything BUT the boxed copies of the game (which will follow at a later date). This is currently being organised. So bear with us, it won’t be long… This is very nice as well. Edited by: Fireman on Tue, 29/09/2015 – 12:09 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #69 Submitted: Thu, 19/11/2015 – 02:22 so… we got some more months forward on 2015. Nobby, Shane, any news for us? Talk to us =)

T-Bounce Fluffy Bunny Posts: 25 Send PM #70 Submitted: Fri, 27/11/2015 – 19:19 Any news already on the physical rewards shipment? I backed for 150$ and still nothing received 😦

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #71 Submitted: Sun, 29/11/2015 – 16:49 Same here. No news at all.

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Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #72 Submitted: Fri, 04/12/2015 – 13:30 Yeah almost looks abandoned, first post hasn’t been updated in a long time and; Quote: So what we’ve decided is that we really need to sort this out PRONTO. And to that end we’re currently planning to take the hit of the extra costs involved, and send out everything BUT the boxed copies of the game (which will follow at a later date). This is currently being organised. So bear with us, it won’t be long… Hasn’t been adressed in a while neither. I definitely haven’t received anything yet. Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #73 Submitted: Fri, 04/12/2015 – 14:03 Stainless is very good at not providing updates. Not to say it wouldn’t be nice to get my rewards, but I almost just don’t care anymore.

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #74 Submitted: Mon, 07/12/2015 – 15:46 Hi guys, apologies for the lack of communication with regards to the remaining physical rewards you’re waiting for. I’m afraid I don’t have any new updates to provide and we’re still finalising our plans for sending them out. As soon as we have more information we’ll let you know.

T-Bounce Fluffy Bunny Posts: 25 Send PM #75 Submitted: Mon, 04/01/2016 – 10:53 When are we finally gonna receive our stuff??? I backed for 150$ !!! $150 KICK IN THE BOX: It’s the one everyone’s been waiting for! The GAME. On a DVD. In a BOX! We’ve done the math and it will only slightly bankrupt us. We’re adding the boxed game with the manual and game on a printed DVD in as a $150 level Reward. If anyone who pledged $350 wants to drop their pledge to $150 as a result, then please feel free! If anyone currently going for the t-shirt or bumper sticker level rewards wants to swap their pledge to the boxed game offer, now’s your chance. (+Previous Rewards below $150) (At $350 level, you’ll get all three $150 Reward offers.) Estimated delivery: Feb 2013 Hope I will get a reply now It’s already 2016 now … And still no physical stuff received 😦

Jemimus Fluffy Bunny Posts: 4 #76 Submitted: Mon, 04/01/2016 – 12:21 I pledged $500 back in the day. ——————————– $500 I WAS IN THE WAR!: Poster of an exclusive, special edition promo image personally signed by key team members. Also, you’ll receive a custom “Splatted Granny” collectable model, hand splatted and painted by a member of the team using their actual human fingers and stuff. No two are alike! A handmade THING! (+Previous Rewards) Estimated delivery: Feb 2013 ——————————– Unfortunately I also have never received any physical rewards. Enjoying the game though.

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #77 Submitted: Tue, 05/01/2016 – 05:29 the $150 + and above tiers have not been sent out, as for the Grannies I have not seen a single thing on this at all. But i am sure its done since the car foobared big time. But i think the team are still trying to come up with a way to make us all happy and given time they will but things like organizing something in place of something else that was expensive you have to just let them do there thing. Just keep your fingers crossed and be happy the game still exists and plays really bloody well 🙂

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #78 Submitted: Wed, 06/01/2016 – 08:46 Jemimus wrote: I pledged $500 back in the day. ——————————– $500 I WAS IN THE WAR!: Poster of an exclusive, special edition promo image personally signed by key team members. Also, you’ll receive a custom “Splatted Granny” collectable model, hand splatted and painted by a member of the team using their actual human fingers and stuff. No two are alike! A handmade THING! (+Previous Rewards) Estimated delivery: Feb 2013 ——————————– Unfortunately I also have never received any physical rewards. Enjoying the game though. Me too, same thing. never one physical part is come :(. Is too bad, I gave my trust after 3 years I’m here and see (no info about that) I’m sorry but I feel robbed. shane wrote: Hi guys, apologies for the lack of communication with regards to the remaining physical rewards you’re waiting for. I’m afraid I don’t have any new updates to provide and we’re still finalising our plans for sending them out. As soon as we have more information we’ll let you know 3 years?

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #79 Submitted: Wed, 06/01/2016 – 10:17 Atarugolan, please, its not been 3 years, maybe since the KS but honestly they only released the game not too long ago in terms of release. and they are still adding more content to the game, it depends on what point the game gets to ship out the content of the game, You could ship the game out with out the added cars on disk or you can, as they have only just been added i would say i think you would want the additional addon cars with the disk or at least on the disk, so are you going to keep whingeing ? Btw we are all waiting but with the community doing there own thing, i think we can all wait, I think this is just fine, I am more than willing to wait and i have expressed so. How about you step up to the plate and do so as well ?.

hammr25 Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 264 Send PM #80 Submitted: Wed, 06/01/2016 – 12:48 lemonrev wrote: Btw we are all waiting but with the community doing there own thing, i think we can all wait, I think this is just fine, I am more than willing to wait and i have expressed so. How about you step up to the plate and do so as well ?. I think his whinging is just fine. You could always stop whinging about his whinging and I’ve expressed so. How about you step up to the plate and do so as well? I just hope no one starts whinging about my whinging about your whinging about his whinging. Edited by: hammr25 on Wed, 06/01/2016 – 12:50

Trent I was in the War! Posts: 2979 Send PM #81 Submitted: Wed, 06/01/2016 – 13:36 hammr25 wrote: I just hope no one starts whinging about my whinging about your whinging about his whinging. Stop whinging about him whinging at that guy’s whinging or I’ll have to whinge about myself having to whinge about your whinging and it’ll be totally Whingeception!

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Mintydog Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 232 Send PM #82 Submitted: Fri, 29/01/2016 – 08:15 I’m surprised it’s taking so long. I don’t get much time to play the actual game, and I often forget about my rewards, but I come back every so often to check on them and they are still “sending” out $150 rewards. I wonder how long that will be going on for? My Carmageddon 1 tribute video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ro3cEmaUs My Carmageddon II tribute video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIRcz8X_HZo My Carmageddon Reincarnation video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0xgzYhMAQ

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #83 Submitted: Sat, 30/01/2016 – 01:34 Considering no one that pledged $150 has received anything so far, that could take a while Mintydog, from what I could gather it’s because they want the final game to be represented by the game on the disc. That said, they promised to send out all the other rewards (minus the big box with cd’s) around half a year go “as soon as possible”. Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #84 Submitted: Sat, 30/01/2016 – 06:28 At this point, I don’t know why they would wait for the final game, since no game is ever final until the developer stops working on it. I would assume that as soon as the game was released out of Early Access on Steam that was the final game. Maybe they just want to make a bit more money to help cover the costs of shipping the merchandise?

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #85 Submitted: Sat, 06/02/2016 – 23:42 I’m very curious when we will recieve our rewards, or at least an update more than “still no news”. Can’t they give us any info along the lines of “we’re not gonna send out the stuff until the moment that X or Y or Z”. I don’t know what X or Y or Z would be. but they should be telling us. At least that would be some information. After all, the final release of the game was in may 2015; that’s more than 8 months ago now, so what are they waiting for? Right now, all we hear is “we are working on it”. That is NOT really info! Every 4 months they post an apology for lack of communication, and that’s about it. I half hoped we would get SOME physical rewards, like the t-shirts or posters, before the final release of the game. You know, when the buzz and anticipation was still at it’s peak. I realize that that was a little too optimistic, and I had no reason in hindsight, tp expect that they wouldn’t wait until the moment that all the rewards could be sent in one single shipment. But now I am more affraid we won’t get any physical rewards until everyone has already finished the game and moved on to the next hype… I backed the game for $150, no regrets there, I did it for the passion for the game, and I think you guys did a great job. But I really hope you can do a better job at keeping us informed on this particular subject. Edited by: RagingR2 on Sat, 06/02/2016 – 23:47

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #86 Submitted: Thu, 11/02/2016 – 17:18 RagingR2 wrote: I’m very curious when we will recieve our rewards, or at least an update more than “still no news”. Can’t they give us any info along the lines of “we’re not gonna send out the stuff until the moment that X or Y or Z”. I don’t know what X or Y or Z would be. but they should be telling us. At least that would be some information. After all, the final release of the game was in may 2015; that’s more than 8 months ago now, so what are they waiting for? Right now, all we hear is “we are working on it”. That is NOT really info! Every 4 months they post an apology for lack of communication, and that’s about it. I half hoped we would get SOME physical rewards, like the t-shirts or posters, before the final release of the game. You know, when the buzz and anticipation was still at it’s peak. I realize that that was a little too optimistic, and I had no reason in hindsight, tp expect that they wouldn’t wait until the moment that all the rewards could be sent in one single shipment. But now I am more affraid we won’t get any physical rewards until everyone has already finished the game and moved on to the next hype… I backed the game for $150, no regrets there, I did it for the passion for the game, and I think you guys did a great job. But I really hope you can do a better job at keeping us informed on this particular subject. Hi RagingR2, Sorry to hear your frustration at not receiving your Kickstarter rewards. We are still in the process of finalising plans for the remaining physical rewards. All I can say right now is that we hope to have some more information very soon.

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #87 Submitted: Thu, 11/02/2016 – 21:22 shane wrote: Hi RagingR2, Sorry to hear your frustration at not receiving your Kickstarter rewards. We are still in the process of finalising plans for the remaining physical rewards. All I can say right now is that we hope to have some more information very soon. Shane, thanks for your reply, I appreciate you taking the time to post here and respond. But with all due respect, what you just said is the same thing we’ve been hearing for a while now (with regular intervals), and still the same non-informative reply that’s exactly what I was describing in my previous post… Quote: …in the process of finalising plans for the remaining physical rewards… Can you PLEASE enlighten us what that means? Why does it take like 6 months (or more even, I lost count?) to “finalize plans”. It just starts sounding more and more like everything is very, very, very uncertain. As far as we know, this can take another 6 months or maybe even never happen at all.

Kaos2K Fluffy Bunny Posts: 38 Send PM #88 Submitted: Thu, 11/02/2016 – 22:11 Fair point.I totally agree with RagingR2. I don’t like how this is being handled. The same non-informative response all the time. Starting to think (very seriously) that this does not smell good… Edited by: Kaos2K on Thu, 11/02/2016 – 22:11

Molbork Fluffy Bunny Posts: 2 Send PM #89 Submitted: Wed, 17/02/2016 – 01:01 I don’t understand Nobby’s response, paraphrased “We make games not goods so it may take a while”, I get that, but why create reward tiers that you said you would fulfill, if you can’t fulfill them? Blargh, I would settle for a partial refund then the rewards at this point.

Molbork Fluffy Bunny Posts: 2 Send PM #90 Submitted: Wed, 17/02/2016 – 01:05 Also it would be rad to be able to update my mailing address in the backer site.

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #91 Submitted: Wed, 17/02/2016 – 10:26 Molbork, Please goto the support tab and report your new address as they can update it manually. Because they do not make physical things and only the game then you have to think they are in the process of trying to get something organized from a manufacturer but it seems they have difficulty’s. Also one of there major things they invested in was the 3d printed cars for the backers of 150$ + tiers which fell though the floor, They lots a crap ton of money doing this and i feel upset for them but if they are still working out plans then either accept it or see if you can do something else but no one likes to see people complain, i think they have something planned its just taking way longer than expected and that is usual for something like this as suppliers can be hard to negotiate with. anyways. Peace man.

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Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #92 Submitted: Mon, 22/02/2016 – 15:03 I was talking about how they didn’t give us any updates for almost half a year (which is still true), but they did today so I edited this message, see the update below! Edited by: Fireman on Mon, 22/02/2016 – 21:30 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

Jemimus Fluffy Bunny Posts: 4 #93 Submitted: Mon, 22/02/2016 – 15:33 Today saw this update on the Kickstarter page: ———————— Posted by Stainless Games Today we announced the news that Carmageddon: Max Damage will be released on consoles in mid 2016. We hope you’re as excited as us at the prospect of Carmageddon reaching a wider audience through console, and even better, when Carmageddon: Max Damage is released on PC you will automatically get it too. Yes, that’s another Carmageddon in your Steam library – for free! However we wanted to make it clear that this news has no bearing on your Kickstarter goods, and that if you have not already received them, you can still expect them as planned. 75% of our backers have already received all their rewards, but we want to apologise again to remaining backers and explain the delay. Issues with the PC release meant that at the point we’d previously been expecting to organise and ship the last of the Kickstarter rewards, all our attention was instead diverted to the game. We also had to find a replacement for the model cars as they were of very poor quality, so we are in the process of finalising an exclusive Carmageddon comic book. We’re also working on a deal for the boxed game – which was the main item delaying the final shipment of rewards. We understand the delay in sending out these remaining rewards has been frustrating for you and we’re very aware of our responsibility to Kickstarter backers. We don’t intend to let you down, and hope you will continue to be patient with us for a few more months until we can send out your well-deserved rewards! Visit http://www.carmageddonmaxdamage.com for more information about the new console game. ————————- Good stuff!

Psyrgery Piledriver Posts: 688 Send PM #94 Submitted: Mon, 22/02/2016 – 19:26 Okay, now that Carmageddon: Max Damage has been announced, I’ve got one question concerning the physical Carmageddon game that some us backers was meant to receive. Will we get Carmageddon Reincarnation or Carmageddon Max Damage? I know we backed Reincarnation, but getting Max Damage would be all levels of awesome. Max is back. Let there be blood and motor oil

deadsheep Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 125 Send PM #95 Submitted: Mon, 22/02/2016 – 19:34 I assume that Carmageddon Max Damage is a more “complete” or “finished” version of Carmageddon Reincarnation, so I guess you guys will get the Max Damage box version. Reincarnation owners will probably get Max Damage instead, but I wonder if Stainless will still leave Carmageddon Reincarnation purchasable in Steam or if it’s going to be replaced with Max Damage, leaving Reincarnation available only for the players who already have it (and these guys will also get Max Damage, free of charge). If they leave both games available on the store, then I guess they’ll be bundled with each other, so if you get Reincarnation you also get Max Damage, but if you get Max Damage will you also get Reincarnation? I’m not sure about it, would be great to have some more detailed feedback from Stainless. Either way, fantastic work on the game, that’s a shit ton more stuff that’s going in which we thought we’d never see 🙂 Can’t wait for it! Sorry for the derailing the thread a little bit. Also, where’s the elephants? I’m sure Errol would like to seem them 😀 Edited by: deadsheep on Mon, 22/02/2016 – 19:36 Bullshit shots – Altered Concept Art

FatCat I was in the War! Posts: 2642 Send PM #96 Submitted: Mon, 22/02/2016 – 20:27 I would certainly not mind boxart that looked like this! (i nabbed this off the official website) Arts–Mods–CarmaChat–3D Viewer

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #97 Submitted: Mon, 22/02/2016 – 21:29 Jemimus wrote: Today saw this update on the Kickstarter page: ———————— Posted by Stainless Games ————————- Good stuff! Fair enough, let’s see how this’ll turn out. Good update but do wonder what will happen with the entire Reincarnation/Max Damage difference, I mean it makes more sense to just drop the Reincarnation and go for a new name, as it just seems a updated and improved version of Reincarnation. Edited by: Fireman on Mon, 22/02/2016 – 22:01 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

Phoenix Fluffy Bunny Posts: 3 Send PM #98 Submitted: Tue, 23/02/2016 – 02:27 Ahhh, so Stainless have gone for the rename/rebrand idea? Or that is at least an added benefit to releasing an “enhanced” version for Xbone and PS4. All the rage these days and this explains much of the silence. Can’t really announce it with a bang if it leaks to us lot first! I don’t blame ’em though, anything to distance the game from the (now unfair) reviews and the bad rep upon initial release. So, reading between the lines of the KS a little: Every KS backer will get the new version for free (no reading between the lines required for this one). Not clear, but I hope everyone else who owns the game will get the new version too – not doing so would be PR suicide. There was a lot of backlash for the Metro 2033/LL devs pumping out a patch/next gen re-release and charging a chunk for it (especially for LL’s minor changes). Similar things have happened with other games too. If you guys can’t afford to hand it out for free, offer a reasonable and permanent discount to upgrade. People get pissed if it is time limited without being clearly stated (and a visit to the steam forums or almost any comment thread should give you an idea of the average reading comprehension level among the vocal ones). Judging by “this news has no bearing on your Kickstarter goods”, I think that means we won’t be forced to wait for the Max Damage version before we get our gear, or at least the timelines are independent. Would make sense given Nobby’s comment about getting these out to us, a while back. Part of me wants the awesome new box art, but the rest of me would really like the gear I backed for, nearly 4 years ago. On the whole, great news!

KaptainUfo… Norman E. Carnage Posts: 58 Send PM #99 Submitted: Wed, 24/02/2016 – 08:22 Fireman wrote: Good update but do wonder what will happen with the entire Reincarnation/Max Damage difference, I mean it makes more sense to just drop the Reincarnation and go for a new name, as it just seems a updated and improved version of Reincarnation. I think they just decided to make separate console version because consoles are not enough powerful for full featured game. However, it would be better if they will fulfil all kickstarter related promises. Edited by: KaptainUfolog on Wed, 24/02/2016 – 08:23

senn Fluffy Bunny Posts: 5 Send PM #100 Submitted: Sun, 17/04/2016 – 14:21 only just realized I haven’t seen any of the Physical rewards yet hah. Has the $150 tier stuff been sent out yet? Fairly sure I put the right address in ages ago but can’t be sure as it was so long ago *shrug*

Judicator Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #101 Submitted: Sun, 17/04/2016 – 20:20 Can’t wait to get my copy of the game.

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Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #102 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 06:59 Hi All Staff Please We (the bakers who have not received the rewards) ask about time to receive that. I know about problem or more, but no receive anything is very bad. I expect to receive also some stuff, ok problem with car replica? ok but all other? shirt, usbkey, game pakage and other.. is available whyi don’t has received. Ok you want save the shipping cost, ok, but after 4 year the just think of the interests create by us donation is free shipping for all. Without US the game never go out, remember that. I love you team, for that i give my money, but i expect more professional from you… Thanks a lot, regards

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #103 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 08:52 The final version of Reincarnation is MaxDamage. Max Damage must be release on PC before they send reward, it will take some more month, WE have to be patient.

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #104 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 13:36 Tonrac wrote: The final version of Reincarnation is MaxDamage. Max Damage must be release on PC before they send reward, it will take some more month, WE have to be patient. This has never been officially mentioned, in fact, the OPPOSITE was said in the update. Quote: However we wanted to make it clear that this news has no bearing on your Kickstarter goods, and that if you have not already received them, you can still expect them as planned. 75% of our backers have already received all their rewards, but we want to apologise again to remaining backers and explain the delay. Issues with the PC release meant that at the point we’d previously been expecting to organise and ship the last of the Kickstarter rewards, all our attention was instead diverted to the game. We also had to find a replacement for the model cars as they were of very poor quality, so we are in the process of finalising an exclusive Carmageddon comic book. We’re also working on a deal for the boxed game – which was the main item delaying the final shipment of rewards. That was all that was said, doesn’t say that the idea is to make the boxed version contain both Reincarnation and Max Damage, but I spose that’s what they’re doing, otherwise there has to be another reason to why we haven’t gotten our rewards yet. Either way, everyone with a $150+ reward hasn’t received anything yet, which could indicate the above, or something different. Edited by: Fireman on Tue, 03/05/2016 – 13:38 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #105 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 17:50 Rather sick, tired and frustrated. Worst managed KS I have backed. Is there a process to apply for a refund, if possible?

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #106 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 18:20 I honestly don’t even care anymore at this point. I’m not thrilled I haven’t gotten my stuff, but the only times I really remember it is when I get an e-mail that there’s been a post in this thread. :p At least I’ll hopefully get a good version of the new Carmageddon out of Max Damage, as I was not thrilled with what Reincarnation turned out to be and have barely touched it since it was released. (I was happier with the Beta version)

Suicide Cl… Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 188 Send PM #107 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 19:45 The handling of the KS Backers thing is the main reason I wont bother to pre order the new game, for that manner I wont buy it later either. I was ultra excited to have Carma come back but the development has been tediously long and after all is said and done a new different game is then produced for us to buy when promises made for the last one did not come to fruition. Interesting, as I was against the idea of every one who backed got all DLC and cars back when that was a thing now over 2 years ago. I said then that it was a terrible idea because it meant there would not be enough money on the table to do the game like we all wanted. I was booh’ed by the free loaders, and yet look where we are now. A “new” different game… and still the $150+ Backers of the original other game got screwed. So no thank you, I backed up stainless bullshit for far to long and they did jack shit on the backers promises. Ill pass on the “new” “different” game as easily as they passed on doing what was right by the backers to begin with. Edited by: Suicide Clyde on Tue, 03/05/2016 – 19:46 Spoiler: BishyT wrote: I’m a homosexual man. A very disappointed homosexual man at that. Spoiler: DutchBastard wrote: I’m Dutch and now I’m very disappointed that you said that! 😀

Psyrgery Piledriver Posts: 688 Send PM #108 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 19:49 I was one of those who was excited about Dyke Nukem Forever since the day it was anounced until the day it was finally released Yo bitches don’t know what waiting really is! Max is back. Let there be blood and motor oil

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #109 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 20:04 Suicide Clyde wrote: The handling of the KS Backers thing is the main reason I wont bother to pre order the new game, for that manner I wont buy it later either. It’s free for anyone that owns Reincarnation. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-02-22-carmageddon-max-damage-announced-for-ps4-and-xbox-one

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #110 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 20:46 @suicide: Handling is a mater of taste, but in my mind it’s impossible to like others Carmageddon games and dislike Réincarnation. I could understand newcomers that dislike the handling because they expect arcade control. BTW You don’t have to buy Max Damage because it will be free for Réincarnation owner.

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #111 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 21:03 Tonrac wrote: @suicide: Handling is a mater of taste, but in my mind it’s impossible to like others Carmageddon games and dislike Réincarnation. I could understand newcomers that dislike the handling because they expect arcade control. BTW You don’t have to buy Max Damage because it will be free for Réincarnation owner. I played the Carmageddon games as they were released and loved them all, and loved the handling, at least at the time. I hate the handling of the vehicles in Reincarnation. Everything feels sluggish and like you’re driving on ice.

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Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #112 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 21:21 But guys … It’s almost the same handling, Replay Carma 1.

Suicide Cl… Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 188 Send PM #113 Submitted: Tue, 03/05/2016 – 23:18 wiski wrote: Suicide Clyde wrote: The handling of the KS Backers thing is the main reason I wont bother to pre order the new game, for that manner I wont buy it later either. It’s free for anyone that owns Reincarnation. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-02-22-carmageddon-max-damage-announced-for-ps4-and-xbox-one Well at least there’s that, I had not heard of it before. Thanks for the info. Tonrac wrote: @suicide: Handling is a mater of taste, but in my mind it’s impossible to like others Carmageddon games and dislike Réincarnation. I could understand newcomers that dislike the handling because they expect arcade control. BTW You don’t have to buy Max Damage because it will be free for Réincarnation owner. You misunderstand my use of the word handling. It was not in context of the game, rather it was about how Stainless has done in regards to the KS campaign and backer rewards. Spoiler: BishyT wrote: I’m a homosexual man. A very disappointed homosexual man at that. Spoiler: DutchBastard wrote: I’m Dutch and now I’m very disappointed that you said that! 😀

Wolfhart Fluffy Bunny Posts: 10 Send PM #114 Submitted: Wed, 04/05/2016 – 05:30 I keep expecting to some day wake up and see the postman drop off a massive box of goodies off from Stainless. I’m pretty sure Nobby stated in either this thread or another related to the backers being pissed off, that they were going to send out stuff already but hold back on the car replacements and the boxed game due to it simply not being ready. This never came to light however. I too feel like I have been fucked over by them at this point, promises keep coming and yet nothing actually happens, instead we are given a carrot to nibble on at full arms length until we remind ourselves that we are still hugely out of pocket. I basically paid $150 for just a game at this point. You can not blame people for being upset by the fact promises keep being made and then nothing comes to actual fruition, if they did what was stated and sent out the vast majority of the stuff as promised it would of kept people happy, but screwing over one of the largest tiers of backers is majorly disappointing. Who knows, might finally have my actual rewards by 2020 when the game is dying down and everyone has moved on to something else…

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #115 Submitted: Thu, 05/05/2016 – 18:09 All we can do is keep complaining and hope someone who cares at Stainless reads it. Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #116 Submitted: Thu, 05/05/2016 – 18:15 Or be patient and continue to live our life … And ask for news after the PC release of CMD.

Gothic Pho… Fluffy Bunny Posts: 3 Send PM #117 Submitted: Mon, 27/06/2016 – 11:17 Still no update on physical rewards? Half of us will have moved home by the time this is finally cleared up. I hope they verify all addresses before sending out our stuff.

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #118 Submitted: Mon, 27/06/2016 – 12:02 Gothic Phoenix wrote: Half of us will have moved home by the time this is finally cleared up. I hope they verify all addresses before sending out our stuff. Indeed, I have moved since the Kickstarter.

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #119 Submitted: Tue, 28/06/2016 – 00:27 Gothic Phoenix wrote: Still no update on physical rewards? Half of us will have moved home by the time this is finally cleared up. I hope they verify all addresses before sending out our stuff. Before the last Backer rewards are sent out we will have a period where you’ll be able to check and update your shipping address so any corrections can be made.

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #120 Submitted: Wed, 29/06/2016 – 12:19 shane wrote: Before the last Backer rewards are sent out we will have a period where you’ll be able to check and update your shipping address so any corrections can be made. Is it possible to do that right now, before I forget it? On the backer site, under “edit account” I can only find the option to change my password…

shane Community Manager Posts: 1272 Send PM #121 Submitted: Wed, 29/06/2016 – 13:48 RagingR2 wrote: shane wrote: Before the last Backer rewards are sent out we will have a period where you’ll be able to check and update your shipping address so any corrections can be made. Is it possible to do that right now, before I forget it? On the backer site, under “edit account” I can only find the option to change my password… Sure – if you login to the Backer site you should have the option to contact us. Fill out the form with your new details and I’ll update your Backer information.

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v85rawdeal Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #122 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 06:58 Any update to the E.T.A. on when these are likely to be shipped?

CitizenSwift Fluffy Bunny Posts: 3 Send PM #123 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 08:01 Time to move on, guys. We’re not getting anything.

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #124 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 08:25 Stop being pessimistic …. the final version of the game is Max Damage. It must be released on PC before they can send the reward cause the majority of remain reward contain a physical copy of the game. We back for an episodic game, and we will got a complete game … development of a game take time and 4 years for a small indie team is normal. If Stainless become bankrupt, we will not receive our reward … but they are not at that point now. We must remain patient, we backed a project, and project unlike final product could be delayed.

wiski Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 259 Send PM #125 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 12:18 Tonrac wrote: Stop being pessimistic …. the final version of the game is Max Damage. It must be released on PC before they can send the reward cause the majority of remain reward contain a physical copy of the game. We back for an episodic game, and we will got a complete game … development of a game take time and 4 years for a small indie team is normal. If Stainless become bankrupt, we will not receive our reward … but they are not at that point now. We must remain patient, we backed a project, and project unlike final product could be delayed. As someone who is pretty much past the point of caring, I’d like to point out that when the Kickstarter was set up, Max Damage was not in the plans. The plan was for the final version to be the version that came out just over a year ago now on 21 May 2015. That would be the final version expectations for when the rest of the rewards being shipped should be based on, not a version that was then planned on later. I personally don’t really give a crap if the version on the physical copy is of Reincarnation or Max Damage, because I never planned on opening the damn thing in the first place, since I already had 4 Steam keys. Again, I don’t really care anymore, I pledged $150 to get Carmageddon again, was generally disappointed in it, and have barely touched it since it was released. I can live with that even if I never get any of the rewards I was promised when I pledged to the Kickstarter 4 years ago. Maybe Max Damage will fix the stuff I don’t like about Reincarnation, maybe it won’t, I’m just disappointed by the lack of communication from Stainless in general, even if that communication is just to tell us that shit’s fucked and they can’t send us our rewards as planned. I figured after how poorly Reincarnation was received that the main reason for delays was because Stainless wasn’t making enough money on the game to get us our stuff, but again, actually telling us that and giving us some idea of their plans would have been much better than months of silence followed by someone randomly popping in to say, “We’re working on it.” and then more months of silence. The only reason I even remember I had rewards to get yet is because I subscribed to this thread, so am reminded about it every time someone pleads Stainless for any information.

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #126 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 13:54 For everyone else wiski $150+ is a lot of money, so we do still care. Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

Wolfhart Fluffy Bunny Posts: 10 Send PM #127 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 14:24 Same boat as you, I often forget about what I am in fact owed, only to be reminded by this thread. Its pretty fucking poor on Stainless’ side of things. I loved the game in early access, then for some reason it was released and I think I have maybe played it for a couple of hours tops 😦 Been to the Isle of Wight four times since our rewards were said to be on the way, maybe I should knock on the office next month (cos yeah.. I’m going back there again for a holiday). Seriously, more communication would be lovely. As to the people complaining about.. well.. complaining, FUCK YOU. Some of us expect something for our money, you don’t buy stuff online from eBay or whatever, pay for it and then forget about it do you? You expect to be given what you paid for. I could of backed for a key.. sure.. but I wanted MORE from the backing system, I pledged because everything sounded nearly too good to be true with the double eagles (which are now completely fucked). By the time this is resolved the game will be long forgotten (by that I mean Max Damage Edition has been out for a year..), or at least it feels that way with the lack of communication.

Psyrgery Piledriver Posts: 688 Send PM #128 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 14:35 Am I the only backer who’s happy and satisfied to have pledged $150 just to see this game become a reality? Yeah, the rewards are nice and stuff, but I am glad that Carmageddon is back again. I’d have pledged more If I could, and I could care less about the rewards, honestly. Edited by: Psyrgery on Thu, 30/06/2016 – 14:37 Max is back. Let there be blood and motor oil

Mad Mike Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1117 Send PM #129 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 15:34 Quote: Am I the only backer who’s happy and satisfied to have pledged $150 just to see this game become a reality? Yeah, the rewards are nice and stuff, but I am glad that Carmageddon is back again. I’d have pledged more If I could, and I could care less about the rewards, honestly. You’re not alone Psyrgery. I’m in the same boat. 🙂 One man… Alone… Wrecking opponents in the Automobile he loves Twitter Manifestation, Mods for Max Damage

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #130 Submitted: Thu, 30/06/2016 – 16:18 No, Psyrgery, you are not alone … i won’t tell i don’t care about reward but i understand that it can take long time cause the game is not finish yet. “As to the people complaining about.. well.. complaining, FUCK YOU. Some of us expect something for our money, you don’t buy stuff online from eBay or whatever, pay for it and then forget about it do you? You expect to be given what you paid for. I could of backed for a key.. sure.. but I wanted MORE from the backing system, I pledged because everything sounded nearly too good to be true with the double eagles (which are now completely fucked). ” @wolfhart: Not a smart attitude to insult the one that don’t share your opinion … maybe you overreact because you are upset about the lack of communication, i could understand that. The problem is that you backed for a project, when you give money for a project you accept to take a risk. You never bought an object. If the project goes right you got the reward … in the contrary you don’t have. Reincarnation project had their scope changed from an episodic release game to a “complete” game, just that delayed a lot the reward. Then because of performance problem the launch was a failure, and they need to focus on Max Damage to maybe save the game. Nothing is loose right now, they still have some hope to have our rewards after the release of Max Damage on PC. I am agree that they could ameliorate their communication and make some effort to explain what happen and the reason of the delay. Edited by: Tonrac on Thu, 30/06/2016 – 16:19

TurboDonke… Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 280 Send PM #131 Submitted: Fri, 01/07/2016 – 10:34 Hey, so im still not the only one still waiting! No ETA as to when we will get our rewards?? Also, can I swap my steam keys codes for Xbox Live codes instead?? Edited by: TurboDonkey007 on Fri, 01/07/2016 – 10:34 meh

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Deamon Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 306 Send PM #132 Submitted: Fri, 01/07/2016 – 11:51 Still patiently waiting too, I have faith in Stainless. Carma for Xbox has made my year so the other stuff from the Kickstarter I consider bonus loot. Carmageddon UNlimited Team For all your wrecking needs! “All prey keep left. Fellow raptors keep up.” TDR2000 MAX-Pack A community add-on pack.

Mintydog Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 232 Send PM #133 Submitted: Fri, 01/07/2016 – 23:07 I’m sorry but this is BULLSHIT! 2 years and not a single update? No rewards? You’re busy making PS4 and Xbox one versions when we, on PC, funded the kickstarter! No one on PS4 or Xbox even knew what Camrageddon was, they were all too young and too busy playing COD to give a damn! My Carmageddon 1 tribute video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ro3cEmaUs My Carmageddon II tribute video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIRcz8X_HZo My Carmageddon Reincarnation video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0xgzYhMAQ

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #134 Submitted: Sat, 02/07/2016 – 09:11 They post a news the february 22 and 5 days ago https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stainlessgames/carmageddon-reincarnation/posts/1498402 Ok, they ask for patience and don’t talk about rewards release date, but said that they still planned. Kickstarter bring maybe only 10% of the total budget of the game, the 90% was bring by Les Edgar (and Stainless own revenue gain with other game) with the goal of port the game on console. If Reincarnation was a great success on PC, we will already have our rewards … but it isn’t a success (because the game was bashed for performance issue) … The console version was not made with our money, our money was spend long time ago. They have to take the business decision (console version) in order to give a future to the Carmageddon ip. I think that, after the release of max damage on PC, we will have our reward a few month later (unless Stainless goes to bankrupt but i don’t think it will happen).

UncleBAZINGA Fluffy Bunny Posts: 2 Send PM #135 Submitted: Wed, 27/07/2016 – 12:35 I hope we get an update soon because my patience already ended. I paid 150$ via PayPal and so far only got the game itself. This is ridiculous! Daddy. Gamer. Geek. Minimalist.

Indyxt Fluffy Bunny Posts: 8 Send PM #136 Submitted: Tue, 02/08/2016 – 06:01 Asked them about a refund (at least $100 out of $150) on that “backers” site. Nobody even answered. It is clear to me that Stainless uses “no fucks given” strategy to deal with us backers now. We helped them bring the game to life, and now we are treated as nuisance. Funny thing – even low-level backers got something (postcards). We got shit. Sad and pathetic.

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #137 Submitted: Tue, 02/08/2016 – 06:16 IndyXT you really know how to show your gratitude don’t you. I mean its been explained to you over and over again yet you don’t seem to get it. Con grats for being an incompetent know all.

Indyxt Fluffy Bunny Posts: 8 Send PM #138 Submitted: Tue, 02/08/2016 – 08:59 @lemonrev Have anything useful to say? Or just pretend being smart? Cause it doesnt work.

Psyrgery Piledriver Posts: 688 Send PM #139 Submitted: Tue, 02/08/2016 – 10:44 @Indixt Have anything useful to say? Or just pretend being entitled? Cause it doesnt work. Max is back. Let there be blood and motor oil

Indyxt Fluffy Bunny Posts: 8 Send PM #140 Submitted: Tue, 02/08/2016 – 18:36 Psyrgery wrote: @Indixt Have anything useful to say? Or just pretend being entitled? Cause it doesnt work. Typo in my nickname on purpose, i guess? Did I hurt your feelings? Good. If being entitled means getting whats was promised 4 years ago, then yeah, color me entitled. You can lick Stainless a$$ all you want, doesnt mean others have to.

Psyrgery Piledriver Posts: 688 Send PM #141 Submitted: Tue, 02/08/2016 – 20:27 It wasn’t intentional, but hey, you’re free to think somebody thinks about you ;D watch that edginess of yours boy, you might cut yourself with it!!!!11!1one what says you are not going to get what was promised to you? They did not mention a “fixed” date, so they might as well deliver it to you in 100 years and that would make your point moot. Keep cryin’ baby, I’ll keep feasting on your tears Edited by: Psyrgery on Tue, 02/08/2016 – 20:27 Max is back. Let there be blood and motor oil

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Phoenix Fluffy Bunny Posts: 3 Send PM #142 Submitted: Wed, 03/08/2016 – 00:36 Soo…uh…anyway. Would be cool to have another update or nugget of info, given that Max Damage has been out on consoles for nearly a month now. Busy preparing for release on PC? Anything you can report on, Shane or Nobby? Ta!

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #143 Submitted: Wed, 03/08/2016 – 06:53 This was from a twitch made the 1st of july https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I0LS-CzPSxk – Physical KS rewards – to avoid the costs of shipping bankrupting stainless, KS rewards are bundled into single shipments for each backer, which means unfortunately the higher tier backers, who will be getting the most stuff, will have to wait the longest as some of the rewards don’t exist yet. It will still happen though – The Steam release will be some time after console release. It will be months, not years It seem they are already at work on the PC version of Max Damage https://mobile.twitter.com/carmageddongame/status/760498186943340544 Edited by: Tonrac on Wed, 03/08/2016 – 08:26

Jemimus Fluffy Bunny Posts: 4 #144 Submitted: Wed, 03/08/2016 – 10:08 Tonrac wrote: This was from a twitch made the 1st of july https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I0LS-CzPSxk – Physical KS rewards – to avoid the costs of shipping bankrupting stainless, KS rewards are bundled into single shipments for each backer, which means unfortunately the higher tier backers, who will be getting the most stuff, will have to wait the longest as some of the rewards don’t exist yet. It will still happen though – The Steam release will be some time after console release. It will be months, not years It seem they are already at work on the PC version of Max Damage https://mobile.twitter.com/carmageddongame/status/760498186943340544 The frustrating, and frankly, infuriating thing about this for me is not even the waiting. Its the lack of communication. The great periods where we hear absolutely nothing. No updates. I am not surprised this came up during a twitch stream, and thank you Tonrac for fishing this info out of it. But why cant they update this thread, or the Kickstarter mailing list, with that same update? And we are still more or less in the dark here. Which physical rewards dont ‘exist yet’ , still after all these years. When will they be ‘created’. What is the plan for the next 6 months regarding this? etc. How many years does it take to take get such a thing organized? There is a point where you have to wonder about basic competency in executing on your commitments. There are reasonable time-periods to have to wait on a promised crowdfunding reward, and at some point it starts to become unreasonable. I think we crossed into unreasonable territory some time ago. But this is subjective of course. There appear to be people in this thread with endless patience 😉 And what of the promised Mac and Linux port. Even if it they don’t have the resources to work on it, ( which I could understand, it is a small dev team after all) they should at least then tell us so. But I would hope, and expect they should at least have it on a roadmap somewhere.. some kind of target date, even if only as a soft goal, for themselves, but something that at least they could share with us. If they actually don’t ..well again, that tells you something about competency in executing on your (stated) goals. This whole thing gives the overwhelming impression they they simply do not have their shit together in many ways. That in itself one might find excusable, but the lack of transparency and communication about this (or perhaps self-reflection; developer know thyself?) I find a lot less forgivable. I think its a great shame that it has soured my feelings about a company I was, at some point, quite a fan of. Edited by: Jemimus on Wed, 03/08/2016 – 12:01

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #145 Submitted: Thu, 04/08/2016 – 20:48 Quote: Which physical rewards dont ‘exist yet’ , still after all these years. The physical reward that don’t exist yet is the game … it’s impossible to make a physical version of a game that don’t exist yet. Indeed, the final version of the game is Max Damage not Reincarnation and Max Damage is not available yet. Quote: There appear to be people in this thread with endless patience 😉 People that seem to have endless patience are people that come in that forum daily, that follow the twitch and the twitter. So we had news that unfortunately a lot of you don’t have. I try to spread the news on french forum and other do the same on that site. For example mad mike do report of the news we got during the twitch: http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/29495 In fact even the “years of waiting” are quite subjective. We don’t buy a final product but fund a project. But like you said the lack of communication was the best enemy of Stainless… For example : With the kickstarter they plan to release an episodic game … but the extra fund (Less Edgar) had modified the scope. Stainless want to release a more complete game … so the estimated release date (2013) that concern the episodic game couldn’t be right. They work hard but are overambitious and release a game in 2015 that suffer for performance issue. http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Interview-How-Carmageddon-conquered-the-car-combat-genre “With funding secured, Carmageddon Reincarnation was released to the public on Steam Early Access in 2013. Unfortunately, however, the team was overambitious with their resources. Aptly, the release was something of a car crash. Severe performance issues meant that Carmageddon Reincarnation was virtually unplayable for the majority of players – even if their PCs should have been more than capable of running the game. “Carmageddon: Reincarnation turned into a bigger project than originally intended, took longer than intended and cost a lot more than intended!” says Barnden. “The result was far more content and far more game than we originally intended. Which sort of hints at a pattern in game development – particularly when the project is one dear to your heart.”” So if we take the release date of reincarnation, we are in fact waiting for one year (and not 4 like i read before) … but with Max Damage it will become silly to offer a physical version of Reincarnation to bakers … So if we consider that the final version of the game is Max Damage, then we have to wait the PC version release before we have our rewards. But like You said, they never communicate all that news in a clear way, or we need to build a puzzle with pieces of informations we got on a twitch or in a topic or on an answer on twitter. Quote: And what of the promised Mac and Linux port. They said in a twitch that they are still committed into the Mac and Linux version of the Game. But i agree, if they communicate on their difficulties etc … some of us will just offer them our patience and they didn’t need asking for that. Sorry if my answer is unclear, english is not my native language. Edited by: Tonrac on Fri, 05/08/2016 – 09:41

RiOrus Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 374 Send PM #146 Submitted: Fri, 05/08/2016 – 09:17 Regarding both posts above, I have to agree with the lack of communication. Regular visitors here have been members for in excess of 5 years and seem to readily accept there is an ebb and flow of interest, naturally, that swelled around the various stages of releases and announcements. For me personally, being a forum member for over 5 years (I think?) I have always lamented the lack of blog updates and general communication. There was a period during C:R’s development, presumably when work was at it’s most frantic and a resource was attributed to facing the general public to build interest in the product, when there were weekly / fortnightly updates. I can appreciate the team numbers have probably changed since and also the fact that there is less to talk about being that there have been two final products presented on various platforms. I say it again though, if Carmageddon is to be a brand that is to survive, go further, have additional content, be developed into a sequel, gain strength as a franchise (strike through depending on your level of optimism), the game needs better communication and marketing. Now I’m quite lucky in that I’ve been able to enjoy C:R on PC and am not frustrated about waiting for C:MD so my comments maybe diluted slightly. However, I want to know, out of love for Carmageddon, Stainless, and the future of the brand, what is going on…? I’m really trying not to sound pretentious, or that my words are the be and end all, and must be heeded, not at all, I’m going to make the following suggestions, as I have before, as a fan, as a member of the fan base giving honest feedback. Regular news / blogs / competitions / events needs to be posted such as: An announcement on C:MD for PC An honest update on MAC / Linux development – people are getting pissed off… give them a real update with actual progress update, I think people will really appreciate that. Multiple general good natured / informative updates akin to Rosarios graphics updates – I, for one, loved the regular updates way back, I’m interested in the goings-on behind the scenes. An update / teaser blog on prospective DLC, vehicles, maps etc – Keep us excited in the brand, work must be going on somewhere, but drip feed it… keep it tantalising. Part of the charm of the original carmageddon was racing and unlocking cars you’d never seen. With C:R’s release and C:MD’s to some extent, all the new content was presented in videos and pics before the game even released. There was little surprise when unlocking new stuff. The game need FRESH new content. An update on the EVILC10 tour – You’ve got a fuck off insane rat rod. Post some pics and videos of expo’s where people are loving it, I haven’t even seen it since the reveal. Use it for publicity online rather than whilst parked up at an expo. I can’t think of anything else to add, but people feel free to comment and make suggestions. I write this message with the best of intentions and from the heart.

hammr25 Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 264 Send PM #147 Submitted: Mon, 08/08/2016 – 10:34 Anything other than pointing a camera at themselves while they play the game is too hard to do to keep us informed. Many of us would rather spend our time doing other things than watching twitch videos to get information.

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #148 Submitted: Wed, 17/08/2016 – 15:46 REALY??? What is that, you continue to give out GAMES without pay us out? Stainless He has managed to bring out the second game and again don’t have give at us the first Physical Things? Incredible, all that with us money.. Thanks Stainless, that is very professional …… “Thief”

RiOrus Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 374 Send PM #149 Submitted: Thu, 18/08/2016 – 14:28 RiOrus wrote: Regarding both posts above, I have to agree with the lack of communication. Regular visitors here have been members for in excess of 5 years and seem to readily accept there is an ebb and flow of interest, naturally, that swelled around the various stages of releases and announcements. For me personally, being a forum member for over 5 years (I think?) I have always lamented the lack of blog updates and general communication. There was a period during C:R’s development, presumably when work was at it’s most frantic and a resource was attributed to facing the general public to build interest in the product, when there were weekly / fortnightly updates. I can appreciate the team numbers have probably changed since and also the fact that there is less to talk about being that there have been two final products presented on various platforms. I say it again though, if Carmageddon is to be a brand that is to survive, go further, have additional content, be developed into a sequel, gain strength as a franchise (strike through depending on your level of optimism), the game needs better communication and marketing. Now I’m quite lucky in that I’ve been able to enjoy C:R on PC and am not frustrated about waiting for C:MD so my comments maybe diluted slightly. However, I want to know, out of love for Carmageddon, Stainless, and the future of the brand, what is going on…? I’m really trying not to sound pretentious, or that my words are the be and end all, and must be heeded, not at all, I’m going to make the following suggestions, as I have before, as a fan, as a member of the fan base giving honest feedback. Regular news / blogs / competitions / events needs to be posted such as: An announcement on C:MD for PC An honest update on MAC / Linux development – people are getting pissed off… give them a real update with actual progress update, I think people will really appreciate that. Multiple general good natured / informative updates akin to Rosarios graphics updates – I, for one, loved the regular updates way back, I’m interested in the goings-on behind the scenes. An update / teaser blog on prospective DLC, vehicles, maps etc – Keep us excited in the brand, work must be going on somewhere, but drip feed it… keep it tantalising. Part of the charm of the original carmageddon was racing and unlocking cars you’d never seen. With C:R’s release and C:MD’s to some extent, all the new content was presented in videos and pics before the game even released. There was little surprise when unlocking new stuff. The game need FRESH new content. An update on the EVILC10 tour – You’ve got a fuck off insane rat rod. Post some pics and videos of expo’s where people are loving it, I haven’t even seen it since the reveal. Use it for publicity online rather than whilst parked up at an expo. I can’t think of anything else to add, but people feel free to comment and make suggestions. I write this message with the best of intentions and from the heart. I’m bumping my own post because I’m selfish and would actually like some feedback. Kind Regards.

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #150 Submitted: Wed, 24/08/2016 – 08:45 But Why you post here that about information. That part of forum is for ” You are here Home » Forums » Carmageddon: Reincarnation » Kickstarter » [BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment [BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment” BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment, when the Stainless don’t see that post because don’t want send us the benefit for have give at their us money. so here, Stainless don’t see your post, because don’t want see.

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #151 Submitted: Sat, 27/08/2016 – 12:40 Yeah as it is now I don’t see another way out but asking Kickstarter for the money back, question is will they even do that after 5/10 years. It’s not that I mind waiting for longer, it’s just that I now started to doubt wether we’ll ever get anything at all. Edited by: Fireman on Sat, 27/08/2016 – 12:43 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

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akashi.kur… Fluffy Bunny Posts: 1 Send PM #152 Submitted: Thu, 01/09/2016 – 08:14 Hello there! I’m with all of these people. The lack of communication make that at 1st of september 2016 I didn’t receive neither of my physical rewards, neither an e-mail about the shipment. When I’ll receive any information? Thanks in advance.

RiOrus Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 374 Send PM #153 Submitted: Thu, 01/09/2016 – 11:59 Atarugolan wrote: But Why you post here that about information. That part of forum is for ” You are here Home » Forums » Carmageddon: Reincarnation » Kickstarter » [BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment [BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment” BACKERS] Kickstarter Rewards Shipment, when the Stainless don’t see that post because don’t want send us the benefit for have give at their us money. so here, Stainless don’t see your post, because don’t want see. I’m not quite sure what you mean so i’ll respond to my interpretation of it. I posted it here because it suited the natural progression of the thread. I’ve posted similar elsewhere with no real acknowledgement and figured it was worth a shot. It seems I was wrong so apologies for hijacking the thread (if that’s how some see it).

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #154 Submitted: Tue, 20/09/2016 – 19:33 Cool stuff, great devs, nice game. Read that as sarcastic as possible. Seriously, what the fuck is this? No update, DEFINITELY NO REWARDS and the ship has been abandoned. Is there anything we can do? Edited by: Fireman on Tue, 20/09/2016 – 19:35 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

lemonrev Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1626 Send PM #155 Submitted: Wed, 21/09/2016 – 04:22 Fireman and those others, Please be aware that Dev’s made C:MD for consoles first, and have a restriction on when the PC port can come out, I very much doubt there sitting there waiting to tell us that everything has been done and organized but Honestly, sit back and Enjoy the Silence until the release of the PC game comes out in a couple more months time, So play other games and forget about it. We all will get what is coming when its due time when did kicking and throwing tantrums ever get you anywhere, It just gets people to look at you like your a total frigging moron Is that how you wish to be seen ?. Sit back and enjoy what information you get if any. Bye bye.

Wolfhart Fluffy Bunny Posts: 10 Send PM #156 Submitted: Wed, 19/10/2016 – 10:38 Another month, another nearly 31 days without any actual info of whats going on. Early access, kickstarter.. never ever going down this route ever again.

AluminumHa… Fluffy Bunny Posts: 31 Send PM #157 Submitted: Wed, 19/10/2016 – 12:08 The game is running well now, so that’s a good thing. However, I did back the physical rewards, 4 copies plus the game in a box, 150$. I’ve given away all my extra copies and my friends have enjoyed the game, so there’s that. That was 3 years ago? No June of 2012 is when I backed the game. Over 4 years now! Still waiting on the manual and box with DVD…….

Judicator Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #158 Submitted: Thu, 27/10/2016 – 17:58 For me is even worst: I don’t use steam so I actually have no copy of the game.

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #159 Submitted: Thu, 27/10/2016 – 18:00 Well it’s coming now Judicator! Hopefully. The game is released at least! Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

Dave3d Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 258 Send PM #160 Submitted: Sat, 29/10/2016 – 00:15 Really? Th e devs said they are shipping our $150 rewards now that the game is out? And, where did you see this post? Yeah, thats what I thought.

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #161 Submitted: Sat, 29/10/2016 – 07:41 Hi All Backers We need to understand here Stainless Team don’t enter anymore, so he don’t see our post. I don’t like when he ingore us, because without us, the game It would have remained just a dream, with our contribution they managed to achieve it, and more after. It very sad.

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CzechDeath Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1813 Send PM #162 Submitted: Tue, 01/11/2016 – 21:06 Atarugolan wrote: Hi All Backers We need to understand here Stainless Team don’t enter anymore, so he don’t see our post. I don’t like when he ingore us, because without us, the game It would have remained just a dream, with our contribution they managed to achieve it, and more after. It very sad. hah dude do you realise that he (assuming you ment nobby) is dealing with activity on THIS WHOLE FORUM on top of his job as the developer ? they would need 50 nobbys to keep track with all of us man… just chillax and dont assume the worse…

Judicator Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #163 Submitted: Sat, 05/11/2016 – 22:55 Fireman wrote: Well it’s coming now Judicator! Hopefully. The game is released at least! Yeah right. I’d just like to play it.

Dave3d Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 258 Send PM #164 Submitted: Sun, 13/11/2016 – 23:06 So, its been over 2 weeks since C:MD came out. What was said so far: After Carma Reincarnation PC we will get our rewards. After the console release of C:MD we will get our rewards. After C:MD PC we will get our rewards. So, what will it be next? After the next Carmageddon game? Stainless really needs to address this. Ignoring us is not a good way to do business. Edited by: Dave3d on Sun, 13/11/2016 – 23:06

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #165 Submitted: Fri, 25/11/2016 – 18:26 Still waiting, years and years. Nothing updated, nothing changes, game’s been finished for a few months now. Well played. Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

hammr25 Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 264 Send PM #166 Submitted: Fri, 09/12/2016 – 03:20 Where is the information about a timeline for rewards for the people who gave you at least $150. Does it really take this long to plan things out? We know you tried getting the cars done once upon a time and that turned into a disaster. As Forrest Gump once said, shit happens. What about the 3 exclusive bumper stickers, The game on DVD in a box, exclusive t-shirt, goody bag, The retail box with a usb key of the game inside, splatted granny collectible models, and hand signed concept art?

Tonrac Piledriver Posts: 540 Send PM #167 Submitted: Fri, 09/12/2016 – 09:34 https://twitter.com/carmageddongame/status/806444173964574720 But i agree that some news could be great

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #168 Submitted: Wed, 14/12/2016 – 18:18 That’s still more than the absolutely nothing we got in this thread on the official forums. I wonder how many people have moved or died since the Kickstarter ended. Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

hazardic Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 487 Send PM #169 Submitted: Sat, 31/12/2016 – 17:09 to who or where i should write about my phone number change? i wrote to Shane in pm but he didn’t answer me yet.. =(

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #170 Submitted: Tue, 03/01/2017 – 22:32 I’d say just Tweet it, they seem to respond to that, or leave a reply on a Stream Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

hazardic Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 487 Send PM #171 Submitted: Wed, 04/01/2017 – 12:14 Fireman wrote: I’d say just Tweet it, they seem to respond to that, or leave a reply on a Stream thanks! but i don’t have twitter and if i’d go steam way where to write exactly?

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Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #172 Submitted: Mon, 09/01/2017 – 19:32 Stream, it’s their YouTube page basically. Since the old terms of service still count, you could also simply ask for a refund and they should give you your money back, since they haven’t delivered the products (yet). Edited by: Fireman on Mon, 09/01/2017 – 19:41 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

hazardic Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 487 Send PM #173 Submitted: Tue, 10/01/2017 – 17:03 got it, thanks!

nemmi69 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 38 Send PM #174 Submitted: Sat, 25/02/2017 – 10:00 Well I still have not received anything of the rewards. Have they all been sent? What does not kill you is just biding it’s time

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #175 Submitted: Mon, 27/02/2017 – 18:43 nemmi69 wrote: Well I still have not received anything of the rewards. Have they all been sent? No, nothing has been sent except pre-$150 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #176 Submitted: Wed, 08/03/2017 – 15:14 Ah well, i never expect to see anything now. I dont really care anymore beyond keeping my fingers crossed that stainless goes out of business.

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #177 Submitted: Wed, 08/03/2017 – 18:55 argan wrote: Ah well, i never expect to see anything now. I dont really care anymore beyond keeping my fingers crossed that stainless goes out of business. The old Kickstarter terms apply as far as I know, so you might be able to get your money back. Not sure. I haven’t tried (yet). Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #178 Submitted: Wed, 08/03/2017 – 21:27 Fireman wrote: The old Kickstarter terms apply as far as I know, so you might be able to get your money back. Not sure. I haven’t tried (yet). Just so you remember… Quote: Kickstarter does not offer refunds. A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward. Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. Project Creators may cancel or refund a Backer’s pledge at any time and for any reason, and if they do so, are not required to fulfill the reward. This from the old terms – https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012?ref=faq-basics_creatorproblems From me… I still hope. I still like Stainless, I do feel disappointed, but I have hope… it’s all I can have, right?

Fireman Piledriver Posts: 671 Send PM #179 Submitted: Thu, 09/03/2017 – 18:17 yuske wrote: Fireman wrote: The old Kickstarter terms apply as far as I know, so you might be able to get your money back. Not sure. I haven’t tried (yet). Just so you remember… Quote: Kickstarter does not offer refunds. A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward. Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. Project Creators may cancel or refund a Backer’s pledge at any time and for any reason, and if they do so, are not required to fulfill the reward. This from the old terms – https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012?ref=faq-basics_creatorproblems From me… I still hope. I still like Stainless, I do feel disappointed, but I have hope… it’s all I can have, right? Yeah that’s the part I ment. I’m still hopin’ too 😛 Carmageddon Post-Apocalyptic Car PackYouTube Channel

nemmi69 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 38 Send PM #180 Submitted: Thu, 09/03/2017 – 19:09 Tried using the feedback to see if I could get a response but nadda. Very disappointed in them these days. Haven’t even seen a bulletin from them in awhile. What does not kill you is just biding it’s time

Suicide Cl… Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 188 Send PM #181 Submitted: Fri, 10/03/2017 – 01:58 I did ask for my money back, there was no reply from stainless and kickstarter said they cant help. I wonder if there is a way to do a class action lawsuit on them in jolly old england since weve been pretty much treated as a bunch of cunts. Spoiler: BishyT wrote: I’m a homosexual man. A very disappointed homosexual man at that. Spoiler: DutchBastard wrote: I’m Dutch and now I’m very disappointed that you said that! 😀

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v85rawdeal Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #182 Submitted: Fri, 28/04/2017 – 07:09 So, no new updates then?

Torick Fluffy Bunny Posts: 2 Send PM #183 Submitted: Wed, 07/06/2017 – 06:04 Celebrating 5 years since the end of Kickstarter Carmageddon campaign and the beginning of the Great Anticipation. Edited by: Torick on Thu, 08/06/2017 – 02:31

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #184 Submitted: Wed, 07/06/2017 – 11:51 Torick wrote: Celebrating 5 years since the end of Kickstarter Carmageddon campaing and the beginning of the Great Anticipation. Amen. It’s very sad, but frankly I have given up hope that we’ll ever recieve anything now. A big part of that is the lack of communication from Stainless; it’s a bad bad sign if you ask me. Also; I have pretty much finished the single player campaign of ‘Max Damage’ by now, so frankly I have stopped caring. By the time we recieve anything, if and when we recieve anything, it’ll be like, “Yay!! — two T-shirts for a game I finished like 3 years ago!” When the heck am I ever gonna wear those? It would have been fun wearing them in the period leading up to the release of the game (by which I mean “Reincarnation”). Right now, send them straight to poor people in Africa for all I care, there’s someone who has more use for those T-shirts than me, at this point. As for the money I spent: I’ll try to forget it to get over the anger. I wanna get on with my life. I know that sounds dramatic, but we’re not talking about the kind of money that I spend on a daily basis… However I am done being frustrated about it at this point, so I am just gonna try my best to not think about it ever again. In a way that’s gonna be hard though, because what it will be, is an everlasting reminder to never spend big ammounts of money on a game through “Crowdfunding”, like ever again. From now on my money is gonna go to finished games AND merchandise. First show me the goods, and then I’ll spend a normal market value ammount of money on your game and any T-shirts. Without an ETA of multiple years. That’s a sad conclusion for small (indy) game developers. But that’s the unfortunate effect of a crowdfunding mess like this. Edited by: RagingR2 on Wed, 07/06/2017 – 11:53

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #185 Submitted: Wed, 07/06/2017 – 15:42 RagingR2 wrote: Torick wrote: Celebrating 5 years since the end of Kickstarter Carmageddon campaing and the beginning of the Great Anticipation. Amen. It’s very sad, but frankly I have given up hope that we’ll ever recieve anything now. A big part of that is the lack of communication from Stainless; it’s a bad bad sign if you ask me. By the time we recieve anything, if and when we recieve anything, it’ll be like, “Yay!! — two T-shirts for a game I finished like 3 years ago!” When the heck am I ever gonna wear those? It would have been fun wearing them in the period leading up to the release of the game (by which I mean “Reincarnation”). Right now, send them straight to poor people in Africa for all I care, there’s someone who has more use for those T-shirts than me, at this point. As for the money I spent: I’ll try to forget it to get over the anger. I wanna get on with my life. I know that sounds dramatic, but we’re not talking about the kind of money that I spend on a daily basis… I wanna upvote, like, fave and share this so hard. The only part I disagree is about leaving the crowdfunding scene. I’ve had more than my share of great fundings, like Halcyon 6, Orion Trail, Exploding Kittens, TerraTech, Basement, Timespinner, Children of Morta (the last trhee still both in dev) – but I’m never again forking US$350 (specially when it means almost R$1k at the time, more now) for goodies. Carma:R was the first time I had the funds to do so, but will also be the last I crowdfund no matter if I can later. I don’t mind giving up 10-15 bucks for a game that can just flop – but that kinda cash for promised awesome physical goodies… never again.

CzechDeath Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1813 Send PM #186 Submitted: Thu, 08/06/2017 – 09:12 Somehow you keep forgetting that money you’ve spend were primarely for the developement. While the frustration from not recieving the reward goods is still valid, dont make it sound like you have purchased bunch of t-shirts for 400$ and stainless did not deliver, while they delivered you one and a half game, basically … I’m not saying the situation is ideal by any streach. but lets be reasonable over here… For example. Eversince I’ve seen how challenging the KS rewards actually are for the staff of any company, I just dont want any physical rewards from any project out there that I since supported vie KS. If anything this is good learning experience. Pick your projects and be prepared that they can fail, or the reward system can fail. If you are not prepared for that dont support projects with your money… Edited by: CzechDeath on Thu, 08/06/2017 – 09:15

CitizenSwift Fluffy Bunny Posts: 3 Send PM #187 Submitted: Thu, 08/06/2017 – 10:38 I think a “Sorry guys, this ain’t gonna happen.” would go down better than the silence. It’s sad that the backers that stumped up the most cash are the ones that got none of the rewards. Even the $100 backers got something.

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #188 Submitted: Mon, 03/07/2017 – 23:00 CzechDeath wrote: Somehow you keep forgetting that money you’ve spend were primarely for the developement. Part true… I mean it would be even worse if the game didn’t come out. But the money was certainly also for the physical goodies, or we could have all chosen a much lower, cheaper tear. CzechDeath wrote: while they delivered you one and a half game, basically … Don’t get me wrong, I like the game very much. I think “one and a half game” is being quite generous by the way; I mean it’s basicly the same game with some minor updates and a slightly different menu, or am I missing something? That was not my main point in this thread however, so please don’t let it sound that way. I mean we got a perfectly fun game to play. Quote: but lets be reasonable over here… For example. Eversince I’ve seen how challenging the KS rewards actually are for the staff of any company, I just dont want any physical rewards from any project out there that I since supported vie KS. If anything this is good learning experience. Pick your projects and be prepared that they can fail, or the reward system can fail. If you are not prepared for that dont support projects with your money… I don’t think I’m being unreasonable, and I don’t think what you said is entirely fair. I mean the project succeeded… more than succeeded even. They overshot the Kickstarter target amount by a fair margin, they finished the game (which is a fine game and very fun to play), and it’s been out for quite some time now. All a lot of people are waiting for now is the physical rewards that were promised in the kickstarter. I think it’s fair to expect to recieve the rewards that were promised in the Kickstarter campaign ESPECIALLY since the Kickstarter did succeed (and more than that), and the game was made and got succesfully released. And also this: CitizenSwift wrote: I think a “Sorry guys, this ain’t gonna happen.” would go down better than the silence. And especially this: CitizenSwift wrote: It’s sad that the backers that stumped up the most cash are the ones that got none of the rewards. Even the $100 backers got something. I mean if the problem is that sending all the stuff out is expensive, and maybe that’s a problem because the game didn’t sell as many copies as hoped, then please just let the Kickstarter backers now… Asking for a donation to cover the shipping cost is better than what is happening now: complete silence from their side for a few years now. Edited by: RagingR2 on Mon, 03/07/2017 – 23:01

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #189 Submitted: Mon, 03/07/2017 – 23:08 The last update (date edited) to the first post of this topic was in 2014. The last reply by a staff member in this topic was june 2016. And apparently they said something about the physical rewards on Twitch in july 2016 — the same month that Max Damage was released.

CzechDeath Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1813 Send PM #190 Submitted: Tue, 04/07/2017 – 11:55 RagingR2 wrote: I mean the project succeeded… more than succeeded even. You don’t know what you are talking about. I was there I have takled to the devs personally and boy are you wrong. (unfortunately) the KS campain “success” basically means nothing, the releasing (not so successfull if you recall) of the game, means nothing > Whether the game, sales enough, to keep company afloat, to generate enoug money so that it prospers, THAT is what determines what is success. Edited by: CzechDeath on Tue, 04/07/2017 – 12:02

Helomyname Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 242 Send PM #191 Submitted: Tue, 04/07/2017 – 13:17 There is no need to defend Stainless, CzechDeath. The backers that donated more than $100 have been fucked over, the kickstarter is done, the game is released. CzechDeath wrote: Whether the game, sales enough, to keep company afloat, to generate enoug money so that it prospers Since they are already developing another title (Carmageddon Crashers) and putting their money into that instead of shipping/getting the kickstarter rewards in the first place, i think its pretty obvious where their priorities lie. They got the money, they made the game, people have been scammed. I know you’re defending Stainless because you ‘like’ Shane and Nobby, but please try looking at this through an objective light. They are doing nothing to redeem themselves.

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RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #192 Submitted: Tue, 04/07/2017 – 13:59 CzechDeath wrote: You don’t know what you are talking about. I was there I have takled to the devs personally and boy are you wrong. (unfortunately) the KS campain “success” basically means nothing, the releasing (not so successfull if you recall) of the game, means nothing > Whether the game, sales enough, to keep company afloat, to generate enoug money so that it prospers, THAT is what determines what is success. First of all, no need to get aggressive… I don’t think I was saying anything outrageous. Secondly, I am sure you’re right. A succesful Kickstarter does not mean they made huge (if any) profits on the game. But this is no way to reward your Kickstarter backers, who enabled the first ‘spark’ to let you make the game. Nowhere did I see a huge disclaimer like “we’re only gonna send you these backer rewards if the game becomes a sufficiently large financial success”. They promised rewards in return for a backing on Kickstarter, so they should deliver them. Otherwise don’t make promises… Sure, you know you’re taking a risk when you’re backing a Kickstarter, but that shouldn’t be an excuse for them not to deliver on their promises. You know it sometimes happens, but I hope that this won’t be their defense if we don’t get anything at all in the end. Also, I hope for their sake that they haven’t put their hopes on crowdsourcing to help fund any future projects, if that’s the way they handle promises to their backers. Anyway… what are you trying to say by claiming the game wasn’t a huge success? It sounds like you are defending that we might not see the rewards come our way, like ever. That is not the official position of Stainless, as of yet. Well we haven’t heard from them in a while, which isn’t much better, but if and when they talk about it, we usually here that eventually we will get the rewards. Edited by: RagingR2 on Tue, 04/07/2017 – 14:00

CzechDeath Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1813 Send PM #193 Submitted: Tue, 04/07/2017 – 14:08 Helomyname wrote: There is no need to defend Stainless, CzechDeath. The backers that donated more than $100 have been fucked over, the kickstarter is done, the game is released. CzechDeath wrote: Whether the game, sales enough, to keep company afloat, to generate enoug money so that it prospers Since they are already developing another title (Carmageddon Crashers) and putting their money into that instead of shipping/getting the kickstarter rewards in the first place, i think its pretty obvious where their priorities lie. They got the money, they made the game, people have been scammed. I know you’re defending Stainless because you ‘like’ Shane and Nobby, but please try looking at this through an objective light. They are doing nothing to redeem themselves. hahah whatever you say… armchair assumptions and all that. However I’m not here to change your opinion, nor to defend anybody =D I can only tell you that illusions got shuterred, good or bad and thus I might be standing on more solid ground, than you are with my assumptions. Edited by: CzechDeath on Tue, 04/07/2017 – 14:12

RagingR2 Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #194 Submitted: Wed, 05/07/2017 – 06:33 CzechDeath wrote: However I’m not here to change your opinion, nor to defend anybody =D I can only tell you that illusions got shuterred, good or bad and thus I might be standing on more solid ground, than you are with my assumptions. That was a bunch of words! You weren’t really saying anything however… They promised to send us rewards. They didn’t send them yet. They keep postponing the moment when they will send out rewards. Are those armchair assumptions? They could have calculated the shipping costs before making Kickstarter promises. They could have foreseen the risk that the game would not become a commercial success, even when the Kickstarter succeeded gloriously. If commercial success was necessary to be able to fulfill the promised Kickstarter rewards, they could have warned us about that in advance. They could send us an update like every 6 months. Are those also armchair assumptions?

Toshiba-3 Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1116 Send PM #195 Submitted: Wed, 05/07/2017 – 11:07 They could have… they could have… they could have… They would do a lot of things differently if they could go back in time. They’d probably not rely on crowdfunding at all. There’s been a lot of mistakes, physical gifts being the biggest one (along with setting a stretch goal before the original goal is reached, IMO). If we were put in their shoes back then, it’s safe to assume we’d have a similar chain of decisions. I mean, it’s easy to point out faults in retrospect. It’s pretty obvious that C:R/C:MD isn’t a commercial success and I guess they’re focusing this much on the mobile title to reach a more comfortable situation where they’ll have the possibility to look back at what they left unfinished and fulfil it. That’s how I see it. A bit more transparency would be welcomed and interesting, I understand the same reply from them every 6 months is disappointing to say the least. … and carmageddon add-ons at road reaction.

CzechDeath Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1813 Send PM #196 Submitted: Wed, 05/07/2017 – 14:10 RagingR2 wrote: Are those also armchair assumptions? Yes – Go there, visit them, talk to them, you will understand… nothing else to be said.

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #197 Submitted: Tue, 01/08/2017 – 13:39 Honestly, not getting anything doesn’t disturb me anymore. The only thing I am disturbed at is the complete lack of any communication to us whatsoever. If they were to say “We fucked up, sorry guys, you won’t be getting your rewards.” I would be completely fine with that. Shit happens, and Kickstarter projects are a risk, at best. They should just admit to that, instead of making false promises, deflecting to other projects or ignoring requests for information. Edited by: argan on Tue, 01/08/2017 – 13:39

Fr0nt Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 482 Send PM #198 Submitted: Tue, 01/08/2017 – 15:20 the biggest problem for me is, the lower tiers got the rewards, but the higher tiers are being ignored here. I can live with the car model disaster, and everything else that didnt turn out to be what we all hoped, but atleast give the higer tiers that what the rest already got long ago. Videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/fr0ntl1n3r/featured Steamgroup: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/C_UN_T/

CzechDeath Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1813 Send PM #199 Submitted: Wed, 02/08/2017 – 15:24 Fr0nt wrote: the biggest problem for me is, the lower tiers got the rewards, but the higher tiers are being ignored here. I can live with the car model disaster, and everything else that didnt turn out to be what we all hoped, but atleast give the higer tiers that what the rest already got long ago. Yep I payed 100 I got everything… So it is not like they did not deliver anything to anyone. It is as front pointed out issue with the higher tiers. And why that is ? I could guess. but there is too much guess work round here already.

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #200 Submitted: Thu, 03/08/2017 – 06:20 So why is it so damned hard to give an update and clarify things? They seem to have long stopped responding to e-mails and kickstarter messages.

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #201 Submitted: Thu, 03/08/2017 – 10:51 argan wrote: They seem to have long stopped responding to e-mails and kickstarter messages. They’ve stopped responding to questions about it on twitter, and a ticket I’ve opened 2 months ago is still open… https://carmageddon.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/5834 I honestly don’t care anymore. Feels like I’ve just passed all of the grief stages. I used to love this game in the past, but the disappointment is so hard that I can’t remember the last time I played on Steam. I’m just coping with the fact that I’m never getting that goody ball bag or anything else, it was just cash given away. To me, it’s good luck and good riddance.

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Legomeaker… Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 181 Send PM #202 Submitted: Thu, 03/08/2017 – 14:19 yuske wrote: argan wrote: They seem to have long stopped responding to e-mails and kickstarter messages. They’ve stopped responding to questions about it on twitter, and a ticket I’ve opened 2 months ago is still open… https://carmageddon.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/5834 I honestly don’t care anymore. Feels like I’ve just passed all of the grief stages. I used to love this game in the past, but the disappointment is so hard that I can’t remember the last time I played on Steam. I’m just coping with the fact that I’m never getting that goody ball bag or anything else, it was just cash given away. To me, it’s good luck and good riddance. good idea don’t enjoy the only thing they gave you after paying 150$ because you are mad that they didn’t give you something they promised on the kickstarter while people like me have to play the inferior ps4 version because we didn’t get a mac/linux version if cars aren’t meant to crash why do they have air bags?

yuske Fluffy Bunny Posts: 29 Send PM #203 Submitted: Thu, 03/08/2017 – 15:15 Legomeaker101 wrote: good idea don’t enjoy the only thing they gave you after paying 150$ because you are mad that they didn’t give you something they promised on the kickstarter while people like me have to play the inferior ps4 version because we didn’t get a mac/linux version I can’t understand if you’re ignoring something on purpouse or trying to misread what I’ve said. Piece by piece, as Jack would have it. Starting with the “Good idea, don’t enjoy” part. I stopped playing exactly because I couldn’t “enjoy” the game. Then, “the only thing they gave you” – considering what I expected as 1 game and a plentyful ammount of physical rewards, and I’ve got some games and no physical rewards, I really think you should read again. Next, let’s move on to “after paying $150” – the first correction is, as I’ve mentioned, the ammount of cash – the goody ball bag tier was $350, not $150. So there. And then “because you are mad”. I’m not mad, I just said, I’m disappointed. You do know the meaning of the word, right? I look at the game, I remember the promises, I remember how long it’s been since nobby or anyone else said anything about the backers, and I feel sad. I feel let down. I was going to say something on the lines of “boohoo ps4”, but you finish with “because we didn’t get a mac/linux version” – so you should AT THE LEAST understand the feeling I’ve mentioned, if not feel the exact same. Anyway, don’t bother to quote me an answer – this will be my last post around here until we have any news about the missing promised rewards. As I’ve said, good riddance.

Legomeaker… Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 181 Send PM #204 Submitted: Fri, 04/08/2017 – 03:24 yuske wrote: I can’t understand if you’re ignoring something on purpouse or trying to misread what I’ve said. Piece by piece, as Jack would have it. Starting with the “Good idea, don’t enjoy” part. I stopped playing exactly because I couldn’t “enjoy” the game. Then, “the only thing they gave you” – considering what I expected as 1 game and a plentyful ammount of physical rewards, and I’ve got some games and no physical rewards, I really think you should read again. Next, let’s move on to “after paying $150” – the first correction is, as I’ve mentioned, the ammount of cash – the goody ball bag tier was $350, not $150. So there. And then “because you are mad”. I’m not mad, I just said, I’m disappointed. You do know the meaning of the word, right? I look at the game, I remember the promises, I remember how long it’s been since nobby or anyone else said anything about the backers, and I feel sad. I feel let down. I was going to say something on the lines of “boohoo ps4”, but you finish with “because we didn’t get a mac/linux version” – so you should AT THE LEAST understand the feeling I’ve mentioned, if not feel the exact same. Anyway, don’t bother to quote me an answer – this will be my last post around here until we have any news about the missing promised rewards. As I’ve said, good riddance. 1.If you spent 350$ then you should try to at least enjoy the game (try that suppressor mod Alex made or some of those awesome mods made by other fans) 2.Kickstarter isn’t a place where the creator is obligated by law to give you what you paid for it’s a risk and you chose to take that risk do you see the ks icon next to my username? No because I prefer to pay 60 bucks for a game that got made and not a promise that I might get something 3.the original promise was ONE LEVEL not a complete game if cars aren’t meant to crash why do they have air bags?

AluminumHa… Fluffy Bunny Posts: 31 Send PM #205 Submitted: Fri, 04/08/2017 – 12:12 Legomeaker101 wrote: 2.Kickstarter isn’t a place where the creator is obligated by law to give you what you paid for it’s a risk and you chose to take that risk do you see the ks icon next to my username? No because I prefer to pay 60 bucks for a game that got made and not a promise that I might get something There would not be a game without Kickstarter. The only reason you HAD the option to pay 60$ for a “game that got made” was because of the contributions of the Kickstarter backers. You’re welcome. We ensured that this game would get made. Remember? Stainless couldn’t secure funding to make it, they had to prove their was a market for it still, and the kickstarter campaign did just that. Really this thread should be locked to Kickstarter backers only, fucking plebs.

Atarugolan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 9 Send PM #206 Submitted: Sun, 06/08/2017 – 14:49 AluminumHaste wrote: Legomeaker101 wrote: 2.Kickstarter isn’t a place where the creator is obligated by law to give you what you paid for it’s a risk and you chose to take that risk do you see the ks icon next to my username? No because I prefer to pay 60 bucks for a game that got made and not a promise that I might get something There would not be a game without Kickstarter. The only reason you HAD the option to pay 60$ for a “game that got made” was because of the contributions of the Kickstarter backers. You’re welcome. We ensured that this game would get made. Remember? Stainless couldn’t secure funding to make it, they had to prove their was a market for it still, and the kickstarter campaign did just that. Really this thread should be locked to Kickstarter backers only, fucking plebs. The problem Stailess don’t want block this post at the only backers, because much time the Thread go out of topic and is much easy to manage, if is only backers he need to check. So the problem is Stainless are thieves, robber, thief etc. He have demonstrated how the Kickstart is bullshit, so we need to boycot Kickstarter, because at person like that. I Loved Stainless, so much, for that i have give at him a lot of money, but I see all person is same, he get but not give. Edited by: Atarugolan on Sun, 06/08/2017 – 14:50

argan Fluffy Bunny Posts: 27 Send PM #207 Submitted: Tue, 08/08/2017 – 05:12 And now we learn they’ve been pouring money into a new project/mobile game without fulfilling or even letting us know anything about the rewards. What the hell. There’s really not a problem wíth Kickstarter itself. I have backed Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Shadowrun, Moebius, Torment: Tides of Numenera, Dead State, Shadowgate and Forsaken Fortress. Of those, every single one have worked flawlessly (with delivered rewards in good shape, continuous updates to backers and so forth) except Forsaken Fortress, which fell through due to an underestimate of the budget. But hey, that was fine because the devs let us know a while into the project. Of course it’s never fun losing money, but that’s part of the risk involved in kickstarting a project. And they let us know about it! Unlike Stainless, which appear to be completely comfortable giving us backers a middle finger and leaving us hanging. Edited by: argan on Tue, 08/08/2017 – 05:34

Fr0nt Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 482 Send PM #208 Submitted: Tue, 08/08/2017 – 10:45 it was no secret they were working on a mobile game. Videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/fr0ntl1n3r/featured Steamgroup: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/C_UN_T/

Trent I was in the War! Posts: 2979 Send PM #209 Submitted: Tue, 08/08/2017 – 16:10 Atarugolan wrote: So the problem is Stainless are thieves, robber, thief etc. He have demonstrated how the Kickstart is bullshit, so we need to boycot Kickstarter, because at person like that. Yes, without a doubt Stainless used the kickstarter to steal your money. The whole point was to take that $500k and run and they totally got away with by using the ingenious scam of actually making a game which cost like ten times that to much make. Such dastardly rascals. Quote: except Forsaken Fortress, which fell through due to an underestimate of the budget. But hey, that was fine because the devs let us know a while into the project. I understand that. It’s a bit like how Stainless made it clear they had underestimated the budget by doing a big announcement about getting a few million in extra funding from Les Edgar back before Reincarnation’s pre-alpha was released, right? Quote: And now we learn they’ve been pouring money into a new project/mobile game without fulfilling or even letting us know anything about the rewards. We now learn (early last year, shortly after Max Damage was announced) they’ve been pouring money (likely invested by AIG) into a mobile game (which obviously re-uses and modifies a lot of existing assets and uses Unity with a small team for a relatively quick and cheap development) without (yet) fulfilling the rewards. Yeah, screw Stainless for keeping the money flowing, what are they, a business? Sarcasm aside, backing a game on Kickstarter is a huge risk to backers, Kickstarter make this abundantly clear before you press the “pledge” button. Actually making a game is an even bigger risk to developers. If a game does not make enough money (or, as is often likely, loses significant amounts of money) then the developers have two options: move onto something else which might make money or shut the business. Developers can desire more than anything in the world to keep working on a project forever and do everything they originally promised their fans but they won’t be able to if there isn’t the money to do it. Fans end up anywhere between disappointed and angry, while developers end up anywhere between heartbroken and unemployed. People are talking about the huge amount of money they spent on backing the game so let’s talk about money in proper perspective. Most gamers really don’t appreciate how fucking massive the cost of making games is and how difficult it is for the vast majority of games out there to make that money back. $600k sounds like a huge amount of money which you could make anything with, but in reality it’s just enough to cover running a studio of a dozen people for a year, less when you take out fees and money spent on the rewards. This game took over five times as long as that with a team four times that size. Expensive shit, right? Then there’s other stuff which costs money, such as contracting specialist companies to create sound effects, licensing music (Zero Signal doesn’t come cheap), licensing middleware such as Yebis and Umbra, paying for development software and hardware, etc. The money involved in making games is insane, even at the level of a small independent studio like Stainless. But they surely made loads of money on C:MD, right? Sure. Just take a look at somewhere like SteamDB to see a good estimate of how many people own the game and multiply it by the cost of buying it on steam to have a good overestimation of how much money it made, what with substantial amounts of those players being given free keys by kickstarter backers, people buying it in sales and steam taking a cut of sales. To you or me it would be a life changing amount of money, but to a games studio which has put millions in to make a game I think it’s safe to say the game didn’t sell nearly as well as it needed to. Shane keeps saying they are still working towards fulfilling the rest of the rewards and will let everyone know when more details are available. I’m just making a guess here off the top of my head based on all this public knowledge, but rather than them working on Crashers instead of fulfilling rewards, maybe it’s possible that getting more money coming into the company from another project such as, oh I dunno, a small mobile game, could be part of working towards fulfilling the rewards? Just a thought.

Helomyname Cunning Stunt Licker Posts: 242 Send PM #210 Submitted: Tue, 08/08/2017 – 16:43 Why are you defending shitty anti-consumer practices? Just curious

CzechDeath Velociraptor Fister Posts: 1813 Send PM #211 Submitted: Tue, 08/08/2017 – 20:30 Trent

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I pledged $500 to Carmageddon Reincarnation Kickstarter and 5 years later, Stainlessgames still haven’t sent me any physical rewards

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